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Author Topic: Son's New Super Stock/imow build for 07 with 820  (Read 77775 times)
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« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2007, 08:45:49 PM »

The 017 conversion is 6 parts, one being a solid gear not a differential and its much smaller that the original diff gear. It is keyeyed and you can either use a kart 1 "axle or have one made. What it does it allow you to run 1 to 1 pulleys and still run race speeds where others with a trans axle have to run like a 8 and 3 to go as fast. And yes the axle is keyed for the brake hub.
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« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2007, 09:01:48 PM »

Is that 017 conversion a part number that we can order or is there a group of part numbers that we need?
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« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2007, 09:47:30 PM »

Its a group of numbers 6 in all I believe been awhile since I di it. I will look in my notes and see if I can find them. Or call Bert number above he can tell you for sure.
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« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2007, 10:54:38 AM »

I believe the 820-017 kit part numbers are

776318- Output shaft            
778274- Spur gear - Axle Gear 27T      
778275- Spur gear - Spur Gear 19T      
778276- Spur gear - Output Gear 31T   
778277- Spur gear - Spur Gear 19T      
786148- Spacer   
      
Any Tecumseh / Peerless dealer should be able to get them for you.  Mike Cupps @ Acme sells an axle thats 1" x 36" that works perfect with the kit.   
      
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« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2007, 11:55:11 AM »

You are correct with the parts list except its an 017 conversion not 016.
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« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2007, 12:34:09 PM »

Thanks for the correction! oops

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« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2007, 11:13:27 AM »

ok another quick 017 kit question:

Are there 017 kits for other 800 series like 818?
And all together, how much would a 017 kit cost?
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« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2007, 06:36:55 PM »

lookin good  Wink
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« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2007, 10:17:07 PM »

Should have some more pics up this weekend. Jacob been buying parts here and there with help from Dad. And we plan on working on it this weekend. This weekend is for the family, my work even that for others must wait this weekend. I promised Jacob we would work on it and A promise is a promise. He is excited too. he wants to try and weld a bit so I will give him some lessons and see how he does.
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« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2007, 10:18:48 PM »

Oh and the 017 conversion is only for the 820 model tansaxles. Won't fit the other 800 series.
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« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2007, 01:26:09 AM »

Me and Jacob worked on his mower today. He got the frame ready to weld the support tubing in. We also got an old set of spindles I never used dug out and put him an axle together. This first picture you see him deburring the cotter pin hioles in the axles. I had to drill those for him on the drill press. These spindles where built before I worked at EC Distributing where we started adding the 10 degrees of king pin inclination. We are using what we have at our disposal to keep the costs down.


Here you sim him taping the aluminum tubing for the tie rod ends. I do not recomend power taping unless you know what you are doing. I started it tto make sure he was straight and he finished it.


here is another view of him power taping. This is the other end of the tie rod.


Ok you are wonndering what he is doing. he is spinning the tie rod with the 1/2" drill and running scotch brite up and down it This gives it the brushed aluminum semi polish look all while taking the sccrathes and rough look off.


Here is his axle all asembled. As you can see this axle has no king pin inclination. It is old school so to speak. All my new chassis run the EC axle with 10degree inclination. All the parts are EC though.


here is a close up of the left spindle


Here is a close up of the right spindle


Here is a look at the jack shaft assembley. All aluminum. Another product from the thunder twin king himself Steve Bertrand.
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« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2007, 09:10:34 AM »

jacobs racer is comin together very nicely!!

i have a few questions about the front spindles:
  -how are you keeping the bearings from falling down? is there another peice of tubing welded inside     
    the outter peice to hold them in place?
  -whats that behind the wheels? aluminum spacer?

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« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2007, 09:17:33 AM »

The build is really mowving ahead quite well!!!

Looks like your son likes orange soda! (Orange soda mustache evidence!)
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« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2007, 11:00:32 AM »

The spindles are machine from round stock that has a 3/4 center. It is machined in the cnc lathe with a shoulder inside the bearing sits on. Meaning the bearing cannot move. And yes what you see behind the wheels are aluminum spacers we make and sell at E.C. we have them in 5/8 and 3/4. And MOWMAN I think he was drinking orange or red koolaide. But yea he loves the stuff. I was kidding him about it when we looked at the pictures.
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« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2007, 09:32:39 PM »

Ok First thing me and Jacob did was open the two 820 transaxles. Rules state it must be 8 to 1 in the highest gear. This 820 is the new one its a 6 speed and 6th gear is 12 to 1. This is the inside look at an unmodifed 820


Here you see the inside of the 5 speed with the 017 conversion kit in it. Notice the diff gear right off the bat is much smaller. I have changed the internal gears and removed 5th using peerless block out spacers and 4th is 9 to 1. So overall pulley set up will be 5 on motor to 5 on bottom of jack shaft to 5 on top to a 4.5 on transaxle. This should put it at 8 to 1 in 4th which is now the higest gear. I have also removed all the factory grease. We will be running gear lube in this one.


Well with the transaxles built and ready we started on the frame. Welding in all the frame support. We are using 3/4 thin wall square tubing. Here is Jacob doing some of the welding. I give him a few lessons on scrap then let him do some of the tacking.


Here is a better view of him tacking in the tubing. He don't like welding to much after he had a hot little BB run down his shirt. OUCH!!  oops


With all the support tubing in we welded the front axle on.


here is another view of the front axle. Again this one does not have the king pin inclination. I had these spindles sitting on the shelf for well over a year so we used what we had.


We bolted the transaxle in place have to make a front support for it so it doesn't pivot under load. And you can also see the jackshaft assy. Word to the wise. If you ever use one of these from Bertrand. put it in the frame before you weld all the supports in and the frame up. I had to cut the sides down some to get it in and it needed some persuasion even then.


Here we are looking at transaxle and jack shaft from the top.


Ok looking inside the frame you can see how I tiied the frame support in kinda of like a this [ it attaches to the top transaxle braket to the lower support tube that runs front to back.


Here is another look from the top. Jake wanted his pic in here some where!!!


Ok here is his brake setup just slipped up on it to get a look. This too was made by Steve Bertrand 1800-236-3611. Home of the Thunder Twin Tecumseh's. I am honored to have him as a sponsor. And as you can see he helps out the boys with parts also.


Here you go looking at the transaxle and Jackshaft thru the tunnel of the frame to give you an Idea as to how much we set it up into the frame. Thats it for today. Jabcob already informed me we are getting up at 7 in the morning to get started. I ain't so sure about that but will see. He is excited at the progress we making.
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