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Author Topic: 700 vs. Foote... Side by Side Comparison  (Read 35995 times)
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« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2006, 09:58:38 PM »

Other interesting notes while I was tearing thru them...

Shift gear ratios:

Foote, 1st = 4:1, 2nd = 2.75:1, 3rd = 1.75:1

700, 1st=8.75:1, 2nd=7:1, 3rd=4.5:1, 4th=3:1, 5th=2.5:1

So yes...on this 700 the 1:1 countershaft gearing is actually 4th rather than 3rd for the 3:1 ratio we normally look for...

This is the second tranny I've seen set up this way (and will run in 4th) normally 5th would be 1.25:1 and 1st would be 7:1 with the 3:1 in third...
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« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2006, 10:05:38 PM »

My point was while they appear very similar in build the FOOTE will not hold up to racing with a hot motor. You won't finish many races.
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« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2006, 10:25:50 PM »

I just tore a 500 and a 700 down last week and they are pretty much identical.  

rocky i have torn down a true 500 and it lookes weak as snot gears were huge but shift keys were weak and overall i kinda was wondering how they made it work in the first place not my choice in trannys
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« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2006, 10:34:15 PM »

rocky i have torn down a true 500 and it lookes weak as snot gears were huge but shift keys were weak and overall i kinda was wondering how they made it work in the first place not my choice in trannys


Yep you're right Matt... that one has been soaking a day or two, as the grease in it was REALLY UGLY. Upon inspection it does have lighter shift keys.

500 v. 700 thread coming soon guys.


 
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« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2006, 10:37:31 PM »

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« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2006, 10:54:52 PM »

Good Job Squidd!  Very interesting! Thank You!  twothumbsup
                                                             
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« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2006, 11:08:22 PM »

hmm,now do i buy a peerless,or find a way to make the foote stronger, im thinking in february i might have to do some maching on a foote to see if i can make it superior to the 700.
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« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2006, 11:25:01 PM »

I think the bottom line here is...

The 600 and 820 transaxles...and the 700 and 350/400 tyranny's (after being reworked by Don) are  the units of choice...Proven reliable and recommended.

Snapper wheel drives, MTD Vari drives and Hydodrives of any type should be avoided at all costs...

Everything else... is minimal as far as reliabilty...

BUT... there's a lot of them out there and a lot of them running in races...

Not everybody is pushing 50 hp with a thunder twin and if they can afford that motor they sure as heck can afford to upgrade tyranny's..

But there are also a lot of "governed" racers and classes out there with a lot less torque Hp and rpm running thru them that can "get away" with these "lesser" tyranny's and transaxles....

My point is..they are not made out of glass and toothpicks....and will hold up to reasonable runs for some people depending on class and motor output...and how they treat them..

If your "hot" or think you are...then by all means bypass these type units and go with the proven choices...But if your running a lower hp class, or governed class or "stock mod" and this is all you have...

Don't let it keep you from racing, while you wait on the "chosen one" to come along...

Run what you got till it blows..know what you got and work it within it's limits...

And upgrade as time/parts/money becomes available....

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« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2006, 11:28:31 PM »

hmm,now do i buy a peerless,or find a way to make the foote stronger, im thinking in february i might have to do some maching on a foote to see if i can make it superior to the 700.

Weak point is the "keys" vs. splines...weakest is the 3/32" key holding pinion to input shaft...

Keys shear under pressure either "snap" pressure or excessive torque pressure...

Splines are much stronger in torsional shear...

Everything else is pretty even...
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« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2006, 11:37:50 PM »

jeeeze randy, i knew you were gonna compare the trannys and do a good job, but thanks for so much detail. Its a real big help +1. But just think, if foote went with splines instead of those tiny shift keys, there would be another excelent race tranny in the world of mower racing.........stupid foote bash
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« Reply #25 on: December 17, 2006, 05:16:08 PM »

My experience with the foote is simmilar.  I ran a foote in a rear engine cub cadet with a stock ungoverend 12 hp briggs for 3 years and no problems.  When I built my SP with a built motor it ate the input gear out of 3 of them.  And I have a buddy with a SP with a simmilar motor and did the same thing.  I have changed to the 700 and had no tranny problems sence.  So I agree the foote may work with a IMOW and a mild AP but that is about it. 
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« Reply #26 on: December 17, 2006, 09:49:01 PM »

what if there were a way of locking the foote into a gear permanently, would this solve most of its drawbacks??
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« Reply #27 on: December 18, 2006, 02:23:50 AM »

Randy, have you tried seeing if the shafts from the 700 will fit in the Foote? And if that is so, does the input gear spline up with the drive gear? Would be nice if the innards could be swapped over to the foote.
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« Reply #28 on: December 18, 2006, 05:48:42 AM »

Cases are not interchangeable...biggest difference being the 3 speed "H" pattern and in line shifter forks not being compatable...
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« Reply #29 on: December 18, 2006, 05:55:31 AM »

what if there were a way of locking the foote into a gear permanently, would this solve most of its drawbacks??
Maybe, but I haven't tried it...or know anyone that has...

With the keys shearing being the biggest issue, you would "think" you could weld the gears...but then your into welding "dissimilar" metals (similar to welding gear clusters in transaxle diffs) ...heating shafts and possible missalignment of gears....

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