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Title: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on October 21, 2006, 08:52:47 AM
Well guys I am in the process of building a new chassis for 07. It will be a chassis legal for several organizations. Will be 4 inches of the ground front and rear and will be a MTD chassis. I started this morning tore it down and welded the rear bearing cassette mounts on. I will do a step by step pictured build. AND this build will be available od CD once I am finished for those interested. So here we go. This is what I started with. I am on dail up at home so keep in mind how much time this is gonna take to upload and transfer pics.  :!:

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_startwith.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/startwith.jpg)
Title: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: coreyk on October 21, 2006, 08:55:30 AM
Nice! Looking forward to the build 8)
Title: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on October 21, 2006, 08:58:56 AM
Here is the tore down chassis main parts.  These are the main parts I start with. two side panels, the front sub frame, and rear panel plate, and running boards.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_stripdownchassis.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/stripdownchassis.jpg)
Title: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on October 21, 2006, 09:13:50 AM
OK with the chassis apart I mount the rear bearing cassettes before I do anything else why you ask. Because its just what I do. No paticular reason other than the parts are easier to handle while apart. It is very important to mount the holders so when everything is assembled it is in direct line with original transaxle. US says you can move the axle up but not forward or rearward. So this is waht we do to lower the chassis.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_cassettemounting.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/cassettemounting.jpg)


(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_axlecenter.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/axlecenter.jpg)


(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_besuretosquare.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/besuretosquare.jpg)


You want to make sure that both sides are the same in the case of this chassis I measured from the front of the frame side panel to the front edge of the cassette holder, (28-7/8 ) and from the top of the side panel to the top of the holder (2-1/4) and be sure you have it square to the frame. All these measurements are decided using the shortest tire I run. And if using adjustable cassettes you will generally have as much as 3/8 up and down adjustability in your ride hieght.
Title: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on October 21, 2006, 09:54:42 AM
OK now that they are placed I will weld them into place. I use a century gass-less welder. It goes both ways but just use it gas less. It welds Through most paints on most chassis's if it has a clean starting spot then take your time and let the heat and flux do its job. I do however clean most of the surfaces before I start so to make it easier. Flux core is forgiving but the biggest draw back is the mess it leaves when done. Most of the time a good wire brush will clean it all up. Here is a picture of my welder and the welded cassettes

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_welder.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/welder.jpg)

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_weldedcassttes.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/weldedcassttes.jpg)


(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_weldedcasstte.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/weldedcasstte.jpg)


Thats all for now back off to the shop to do some more work. I only came in this morning for breakfast and have a banquet to attend this evening so I want to get some more work done before I go. Will do most of my picture posting at night from here on out.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: birdman_express on October 21, 2006, 06:50:55 PM
Quote from: "George Herrin"
. It will be a chassis legal for several organizations. Will be 4 inches of the ground front and rear and will be a MTD chassis.



Seeing's how you have it at 4" with your shortest tire (per US rules), what other things are you incorporating to make it legal for other organizations?
Title: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on October 21, 2006, 08:27:06 PM
Right off the bat it will be uslmra and arma legal. I won't add the back bumper as arma allows, It will be able to be widened with just the movement of collars and spacers. And with the adjustable cassettes I can go lower or higher. Just to name a few things.
Title: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on October 22, 2006, 05:51:14 PM
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_prepsubframe.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/prepsubframe.jpg)
Ok here you see some points you must cut or grind away. The guides so that you can get a bigger pulley on there for speed, The other points you will see why in pics to come

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_cuttingguideoff.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/cuttingguideoff.jpg)
This is to show you how and where I cut the guides off at

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_cutfrontlipoffflushwithframe.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/cutfrontlipoffflushwithframe.jpg)
This is the very frontof the sub frame. You cut the lower lip off square with the rest of the chassis. This is a legal cut in US.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_cleanforwelding.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/cleanforwelding.jpg)
Here you see where I have cleaned the inside croners of the front sub frame for welding which again you will see why in pics to come.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_cleanrearclip.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/cleanrearclip.jpg)
This is the rear frame panel and again you see I have cleaned for welding
Title: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: IBuiltmine-o1oo on October 23, 2006, 09:31:57 AM
awsome thread George! Thanks a lot!
Title: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: creechfan on October 24, 2006, 10:53:02 AM
SAAAWET!!!
Gettin' all excited reading this....


BTW George,

Why are you an "MTD man"??
Title: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on October 24, 2006, 11:31:10 AM
Worked for a MTD dealer fgor many years and easy to work on I know them inside and out, and they are plentiful, AND I have had nothing but success using them and last but not least I am the most comfortable on them.
Title: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: creechfan on October 24, 2006, 01:03:20 PM
Makes since!



Wait a second…..


Doesn’t MTD own about 99% of the brands seen on this forum?
Title: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on October 24, 2006, 01:17:55 PM
Yea nowa days MTD owns many many brands. Ands have over the years too.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on October 24, 2006, 09:19:13 PM
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_assemblyofframe.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/assemblyofframe.jpg)

Ok here I am assembling the two side panel frames to the front sub frame. I use a straight edge to get it all straight.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_checksquareandlevel.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/checksquareandlevel.jpg)

here I use a dail caliper to make sure it is all straight. This is important. Once I am happy I tighten all the bolts tight.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_anglecuttofit.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/anglecuttofit.jpg)

I angle cut each end so it fits snug end to end.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_framesupportrails.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/framesupportrails.jpg)

Then I lay my frame rails in this is how I discretly stiffen my chassis. Then I clamp them in sevral locations from both directions using c-clamps up and down to make sure they are tightly in the frame. Now before welding and using the calipers same as in above picture I want to make sure they are straight on the rear section before I weld them in. The next photos will show the welded in rails.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on October 24, 2006, 10:42:52 PM
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_P1010019.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/P1010019.jpg)

As you can see the rails are welded in. See how I don't do a solid weld end to end. Not needed, and the extra heat would warp the chassis.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_boxingthebox.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/boxingthebox.jpg)

Now this is inside the side frame panels. I use the same tubing to stiffen the box or tunnel of the frame. Makes for a solid chassis and it isn't add much extra weight either.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_butplatetosubframe.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/butplatetosubframe.jpg)

Ok here you see where the E.C. Distributing tranny plate buts right up against the front sub frame. ALSO it goes in the tunnel and sets on top of the frame rail supports. You can bolt or weld it in I choose to weld it then it becomes a part of the frame and helps stiffen it.

 (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_slipbushingin.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/slipbushingin.jpg)

Here you see that I have mounted a tranny lower case. Then you slip the plate bushing into the the hole which self aligns on the input shaft.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_bushingin.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/bushingin.jpg)

As you can see it aligns perfectly. Now tack it in place and then remove the tranny case wnd weld it completely in.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_bushingwelded.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/bushingwelded.jpg)

Here it is welded completely in place. This bushing supports the weakest link (the input shaft) of the 700 tranny and with this setup if you break the input shaft it is due to case fatigue or worn or bad bearings.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Tom Fox on October 25, 2006, 06:40:44 AM
This is awesome George!!! This is SO MUCH going to help on my first mower build!!!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on October 25, 2006, 07:53:59 AM
 ;D Well thomas if I have helped one person with this build article Then I am satisfied. I get as much pleasure from helping well Almost as much as I do building and racing. LM Racing is a passion that has been my families life for over 6 years now. EAT BREATH and SLEEP it.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Tom Fox on October 25, 2006, 01:50:17 PM
;D Well thomas if I have helped one person with this build article Then I am satisfied. I get as much pleasure from helping well Almost as much as I do building and racing. LM Racing is a passion that has been my families life for over 6 years now. EAT BREATH and SLEEP it.

George, sorry to post this in your build but.... with my short time being involved in LMR (like 2 weeks!), I can say that YOU have been a teacher and a mentor to me as well as many others. It's just nice to have a fellow racer with so much knowledge willing to share and by doing so helps the sport grow!
You have earned the respect of many members on here and hope that I to someday can share my knowledge to new builders in the near future!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: LVine2001 on October 26, 2006, 02:07:02 PM
George,
What size is the stock you use for the frame rails?

Thanks

Lee
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: matt25001149 on October 26, 2006, 02:14:44 PM
looks like 1x1 square
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on October 26, 2006, 04:21:22 PM
nope 3/4 thin wall. Once welded in stiffens quite nicely and very rigid. And don't add alot of weight either.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: LVine2001 on October 27, 2006, 08:01:56 AM
Just to be clear you are using square tube 3/4 by 3/4 right?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on October 27, 2006, 08:49:44 AM
that is correct
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on October 28, 2006, 11:36:42 PM
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_P1010019-1.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/P1010019-1.jpg)

 Ok heres the rails and tranny plate from the bottom all done and welded in.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_P1010020.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/P1010020.jpg)

Ok here you can see inside the tunnel. You can see the bushing sticking up from the plate this supports the tranny input all the way up to the case bottom. Also if you can enlarge the pic you will see how the rear plate is welded in not just bolted but all done on the inside.


(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_dashsupportcage.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/dashsupportcage.jpg)

Ok here you can see the support I build that fits inside the dash. I use the same tubing as I did on the frame 3/4 thin wal. It has a place for the shaft to go thru and placement of the upper column and bearing support.


(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_supportwithdashon.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/supportwithdashon.jpg)


here you can see how it fits snugly inside the dash. This dash support has taken a 60 mph end over end kart wheel with out busting the plastic dash


(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_lowersterringcolumnsupport.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/lowersterringcolumnsupport.jpg)

Ok on to the steering column and its bearing setup. Here is another product E.C sells, its a universal weld in bearing mount and 5/8 spherical bearing. These work well on uneven and even surfaces where you mount on metal to weld them in I use one top and bottom.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on October 29, 2006, 12:13:58 AM
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_lowercolumnlock.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/lowercolumnlock.jpg)


Here is the lower steering column support and bearing welded in. Notice in the pictures how it fits right in the pocket where the oem parts were. you will also notice how I use 5/8 lock collars one one top of lower bearing and one on the bottom of upper bearing. I use a grinder and put a small notch so I can get to set screw.


(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_dashsteeringcolumnview.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/dashsteeringcolumnview.jpg)


Here is an overall view of the dash and support and cloumn all in.


Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Tom Fox on October 29, 2006, 06:14:27 AM

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_lowersterringcolumnsupport.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/lowersterringcolumnsupport.jpg)

Ok on to the steering column and its bearing setup. Here is another product E.C sells, its a universal weld in bearing mount and 5/8 spherical bearing. These work well on uneven and even surfaces where you mount on metal to weld them in I use one top and bottom.

George.....Are the spherical bearings held into the sleeve by a cir-clip or do the collars take care of that??
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on October 29, 2006, 07:17:11 AM
Quite honestly they are a press fit so they hold themselves in. BUT what I have found once the carrier is weld in it ain't so easy to press em in. SO before I weld them in useing the dremel tool and a metal barrel type bur bit I run it around the inside till my bearing slips in freely, then the collars hold them in from that point. Been running my present BP with that setup a whole season. Actually theres several chassis with that setuo out there now for a season.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: coreyk on October 29, 2006, 05:48:24 PM
George where do i get this http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/bushingin.jpg ( the input bushing) and the steering column bushing?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on October 29, 2006, 06:13:24 PM
E.C. Distributing 615-446-6807 call me mon -thur.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on October 29, 2006, 10:05:53 PM
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_cutforaxlemounting.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/cutforaxlemounting.jpg)

Here you can see where I have finally come back and cut the whole and slot for the rear axle. Doing it this way allows me to unbolt the cassettes and simply drop the whole axle out the bottom.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_howitlooksintheframe.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/howitlooksintheframe.jpg)


This is a view from inside to show how I cut right thru the frame rail I installed for stiffnes. Now that I have my cut out I will go ahead and weld each side to the edge.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_rearplatewelding.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/rearplatewelding.jpg)


This photo shows how I weld the rear plate in. Idea is to make this thing one solid frame assembly.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Tom Fox on October 30, 2006, 07:17:24 AM
Thanks again George for the update. Now I see why you told me to leave the rails all the way to the back and just cut them out!

One more...on locking collars....steel or aluminum? Thanks!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: 300xdeere on October 30, 2006, 02:23:52 PM
i would go steal the other ones just strip i have had trouble with them but they still work but whatch hwo tight u go but i much rather some thing be tight.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on October 30, 2006, 04:17:24 PM
Aluminum run for 6 years never had a problem.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: creechfan on October 30, 2006, 04:49:59 PM
George,

What kind of tool are you using to cut the frame where the axel goes in?

-=CreechFan
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on October 30, 2006, 07:11:03 PM
Sawz-all and a air Die Grinder with a big de-burring bit.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: creechfan on October 31, 2006, 11:32:31 AM
I see I see,

I thought about those tools before i went to bed last night! LOL...


Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: silverfox on November 01, 2006, 10:02:05 AM
  Sir George,
   Dropping back to your wire feed welder.  Your machine looks like a 110 volt.   Besides the splatter, any problems or hints to pass along?  I have something similar and I am just getting used to it
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 01, 2006, 11:31:18 AM
YUP Its 110 and best advice I can give is practice on some old metal. Flux core like to be used HOT!!! And it isn't the best to weld thin stuff with. Until you know its capablilities and yours and be sure the surfaces are clean. One thing about flux core, is it will weld thru dirty or painted surfaces if you are decent with it. Some sitiuations on these things you don't have any choice too cramped top get er clean. But in the 7 years I been using it, I have never had a weld from this machine let go on any thing. I cannot say that about the high dollar gas welder I use at work. Again It took me a bit of time to learn it though. Penetration and settings  is much different than flux core welding. Gas is real clean and pretty but that don't make it a good weld. Hope I havn't confusewd you.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: creechfan on November 02, 2006, 02:53:49 PM
Quote
Then you slip the plate bushing into the the hole which self aligns on the input shaft.

does this bushing come with the plate, or is it extra?

also,
Doesent the plate come in two differnt ways? one with a chain tightner or somthing like that??
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 02, 2006, 03:04:10 PM
tranny plate comes with the input support bushing. Chain Tensioner is sold seperately, They are 12.00.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: coreyk on November 02, 2006, 04:38:08 PM
George did you ever find out how much the input bushing was for the tranny plate. and the steering column bushing?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 02, 2006, 06:00:51 PM
Bushing and bearing is 27.00 tranny bushing is 9.50.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 05, 2006, 07:44:58 AM
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_runningboards.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/runningboards.jpg)

Here you can see I have rebolted the running/foot boards on and I will show you how I open the center-remove the bar yet maintain support for the boards.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_rodtacked.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/rodtacked.jpg)

First thing I do is tack weld the rod to the frame on the inside of the frame itself. Once both sides are tacked in place I cut the center out.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_Rodcutnweld.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/Rodcutnweld.jpg)

Here you can see the cut and fully welded remaining bit of rod. Much more to come so stay tuned.
I have gotten the axle in fender hieght and seat mount done. Rear brakes done Frame notched for the sprocket, tranny pully belt guides and clutch mounted. All yesterday evening. Gonna service the other BP today gonna head up to a race in VA next weekend. So I'll get er ready today, do a bit more on the build up then post more pics this evening.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: silverfox on November 05, 2006, 06:53:30 PM
Sir George -start posting pictures :-)   Where in Virginia are you racing?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 05, 2006, 06:55:37 PM
Glouster I think its called. will be doing pics here shorty
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: silverfox on November 05, 2006, 07:07:26 PM
Close :-)   But I know where you mean :-)   I believe Roger Rose and a AMRA race.  I think I'll go watch you race - Don't disapoint me by falling off
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 05, 2006, 07:36:28 PM
But thats what everyone comes to see is ME and my wrecks.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 05, 2006, 10:18:42 PM
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_Cassttefront.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/Cassttefront.jpg)

Here I have mounted the E.C. Distributing adjustable cassette. They are 35.00 each. I chose the wrong holders so instead of cutting the whole lip off I notched them so the adjustment screw

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_casstteerear.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/casstteerear.jpg)

here you can see I used 3/8 allen bolts to bolt them in.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_rearsprocketnotch.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/rearsprocketnotch.jpg)

here you can see where I drew my cut lines to noch the rear of the frame for sprocket clearance.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 05, 2006, 10:33:16 PM
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_spocketcutout.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/spocketcutout.jpg)

Okay using the trusty ole sawzall I cut the notch out for the sprocket

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_sprocket.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/sprocket.jpg)

here's another angle on the sprocket and the notch cut. Any questions or need different views let me know. This weekend I tended to work and forget to get the as I go Pictures.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 08, 2006, 08:30:45 PM
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_caliper.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/caliper.jpg)
More on the build. Here you see I am seting up the brake system. These are not new brakes but some I had and want to try on this build.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_caliperandrotor.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/caliperandrotor.jpg)
here is an overall view of the brakes and rotor. Yup its a big rotor but the bigger it is the less force needed to stop it. It is a motorcycle rotor redrilled to fit the MCP brake hub. Everything is setup so the rotor hub is against the bearing hub and I put a slit collar outside the brake hub to hold it all in place. The caliper is bolted to the frame with a couple shims between it aqnd frame to align it to the rotor.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_caliperclearance.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/caliperclearance.jpg)
Here you can see the clearance between caliper and tire. Tire 19 inches from center of frame. Thats the outer sidewall.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Tom Fox on November 08, 2006, 09:02:55 PM
Looking good George!!!  On the last photo showing the brake set-up with the tire installed...what is the square tubing on top of the frame? Fender mount?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 08, 2006, 09:10:28 PM
Yes... this day I got carried away with my building, and my picture taking suffered. I will show it in up coming pictures.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 08, 2006, 10:37:08 PM
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_lockcollaroutsideofcassette.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/lockcollaroutsideofcassette.jpg)
here you can see the lock collars E.C.Sells 4.95 and I use them outside each axle bearing like in the pic to keep axle in place, both sides of wheel hubs and both sides of brake and sprocket hubs. In this build case the brake hub is against the bearing hub so it only required one side. A total of 9 on this setup where I usually use 10.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_beltguardson.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/beltguardson.jpg)
With the rear axle in and brake mounted and I am happy with all the I moved the the tranny pulley belt guides while I got it all upside down. Here you can see how I do my belt guides. I weld flanged nuts to the plate and then I simply screw bolts in for my guides.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_beltguardmounts.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/beltguardmounts.jpg)
Here is a good view of the flanged nuts welded in place. The setup also makes for a fast removal setup if you are in a hurry.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_overallview.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/overallview.jpg)
here is an overall view of rear axle in place, with tranny pulley and clutch and guides in place. Also notice the center of the running board rod is cut out as described in earlier details. This gives wide open access to everything.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 08, 2006, 11:15:45 PM
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_cuttingseatmount.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/cuttingseatmount.jpg)
Now on the top side of the chassis with the axle and wheels on I turn to working on fender mount and seat mount for wheel clearance. Anyone taking a mtd apart or knows them knows the full fenders are mounted on a channel type pedestal. I reuse these. I cut the factory seat bracket the inside width of these pedestals.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_seatandfendermount.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/seatandfendermount.jpg)
Now this is an example of my building taking over and me not getting the pictures I wanted. But here you can see where I have added a 1" square tube to the top of the regular feander mounts. And you can see how I have welded the cut seat mount flush with the top of the tubing.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_seatmountweldin.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/seatmountweldin.jpg)
here is a better view of what I have done. You can see at the rear where I added an upright support with same size tubing. Fender will bolt down on top of all this and seat will bolt into the slotted grooves where it gives you the ability to slide the seat forward or backwards the original amount. ALL legal and great for fine tuning the handling of your mower. Fenders will still bolt into the original holes in the running boards giving the appearance they havn't been moved. I will get pictures of this up to show you.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 08, 2006, 11:31:05 PM
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_clampingAxle.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/clampingAxle.jpg)
Since I am getting so much done in a short amount of time I decided before I quit I will mount the front axle beam. I clamp two straight edges to the top of the frame I pull the axle up to it and center it equally side to side and clamp it in place.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_mountingfrontaxlebeam.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/mountingfrontaxlebeam.jpg)
here is another look at it clamp up. I now tack it all in place remove the clamps and weld it up.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_Axlemountedon.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/Axlemountedon.jpg)
front beam welded in place and ready to start front end assembly. Whew I am tired now. Bed time enjoy the pictures and if ya got any questions ask away.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: IBuiltmine-o1oo on November 12, 2006, 02:18:18 PM
is the welds on your frontend to the stock chassi the only thing that holds your front end on? Or do you tie it into your frame somehow?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Squidd on November 12, 2006, 02:30:43 PM
Looking at the spindle mounting flange to axle beam...

Looks like flanges are "perpendicular" (90*) to the axle tube...rather than the 10* of the EC spindles...

Going with some new steering geometry for '07...?

Or is that just the angle of the camera...?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 12, 2006, 02:52:20 PM
Its welded to the chassis which is welded to the frame stiffening rails on the inside. Thats all that holds it and never lost one yet. And I have had some horrific crashes.....

And squidd its an illusion of the camera angle. Impressive I didn't think anyone would catch it.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: mowdak1 on November 12, 2006, 03:09:01 PM
Oh... I noticed it too, I just haven't said anything because it looks indentical to the new front end Don had me load to his website last week. You running G-Team parts again George?  ;)

G-Team F.A.S.T. Front End (http://www.g-team.us/Front_End/)
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Squidd on November 12, 2006, 03:18:09 PM
Oh..I'm watching you George... :badgrin:

You said if I paid attention...you'd either make me Famous...or Infamous....

Just not sure which way this is going yet... 8)
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: creechfan on November 14, 2006, 11:38:20 AM
George,

Is your caliper mounted sold to the chassis? I thought a caliper was supposed to have a little bit of “float” to it.


-=CreechFan
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 14, 2006, 12:18:38 PM
yes mechanicals are generally mountred with float or the rotor one. with these both pads are pushed out then pulled back by spring pressure to ensure zero drag. So you simply mount it solid and center the rotor in the middle.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: creechfan on November 14, 2006, 12:29:13 PM
thanks for clearing that up! makes sence!!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 24, 2006, 06:49:12 PM
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_clutchpedalmounted.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/clutchpedalmounted.jpg)

Ok here is my clutch pedal. I drilled 5/8 holes thru the side of the running board and ran the pedal thru the running board thru the frame. I used a 5/8 i.d Bushing and with it slid on the pedal welded it to the bottom of the running board. This will support it and keep alot of the rattle previous mowers have had due to the sides of the running boards wallering out allowing the pedal to bounce.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_brakepedalmounted.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/brakepedalmounted.jpg)

Here is the brake pedal, I used an arm from an extra steering kit I had for the limkage mount. I slotted the running board so it sticks up thru it on the top side. Notice I don't have the center mount on this pedal. It doesnt recieve all the vibration the clutch pedal gets from the belt. So it isn't needed.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_bothpedalsmounted.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/bothpedalsmounted.jpg)

Here is both pedals mounted as you can see I got ahead of myself in work again instead of picture taking. I will get to everything you see here in up coming pictures.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 24, 2006, 07:19:54 PM
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_Clutcharmrodmnt.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/Clutcharmrodmnt.jpg)

Here is my rod mount for my clutch pedal. I make the arm then weld it to the 5/8 lock collar. I them slip it over the end of the pedal and uuse a bolt instead of the set screw to lock it down. I drill into the pedal and tap it so that I am screwing not only thru the collar but into the pedal also. Makes for a sure tight fit.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_mockingclutchlinkrod.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/mockingclutchlinkrod.jpg)
 Ok to mock up clutch linkage I use a sump pan and crank bolt the pan in place as though its the motor put the crank thru it then slip the motor pulley on. This allows me to put a belt on so that I can't get my clutch pedal in the right palce and make the linkage rod here you see everything in place I marked the rod where to cut. I then cut it and tap both ends for 3/8 right and left hand threads and screw the rods ends into it. All my rods are hollow 1/2 o.d. aluminum stock cut to size. I simply tap it for the 3/8 rods ends.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_clutchhookedup.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/clutchhookedup.jpg)
Here is the cluch assy completed rod in place. Next I will show you how I do the guides for the motor pulley.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: money89tractors on November 24, 2006, 07:26:24 PM
doin a great job George!! keep the pics comin!!

-Phil
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 24, 2006, 07:55:19 PM
There coming I am on dail up remember.....

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_guideplacement.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/guideplacement.jpg)

Ok here is the placement of my front pulley guides. I hold it right up against the pulley without touching it. Tack the flanged nut in place. I do this to all three then remove the bolts and pulley and weld them on solid. This makes for a fast guide removale to change belts quickly if needed.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_frontguideson.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/frontguideson.jpg)

Here you see all three in place. Also you see a idler on the return side. This is more a guide to stop back lash when getting off the throttle at the end of the straights. it isn't tight against the belt you will see what i mean in up coming pics.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_idler.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/idler.jpg)


Here the belt is passing thru the idler. no pressure on it notice the depth of the belt. Now when the next three pics are up look at the depth with pressure on the belt.

Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 24, 2006, 08:19:12 PM
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_beltplayidler.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/beltplayidler.jpg)

Now notice with my finger slightly pushing on belt it sits deeper. So as you can see it is simply there to keep belt form whipping back and forth. The guide on this pulley is not as the others. I drilled a hole and tapped it for standard thread  and run a flanged nut on a 1/4 inch bolt screw it into the frame and the flange nut is the jam nut to keep it from backing out.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_drivetrain.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/drivetrain.jpg)

Here is the complete belt system done and everything in plce.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_rearviewcomplete.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/rearviewcomplete.jpg)

Here you see how I have added the clutch spring. This spring is the deck belt tension spring. I have a spacer under the cod on the clutch the spring hook on it rod keeps it from slipping off. I then drilled and taped a two 3/8 holes between the rear chain tensioner and side frame rail this allows me two seperate places to adjust clutch srping tension.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_drivetraincompleted.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/drivetraincompleted.jpg)

here is another view of everything from the other end. Now that the drive system is complete I have one more thing to do before going top side and thats assemble the EC front axle. That will be the next picture.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Chris on November 24, 2006, 08:24:44 PM
Your clutch setup makes me jealous... I need to build one like that, I have enough spare pulleys and other crap laying around so I should...
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: money89tractors on November 24, 2006, 08:26:44 PM
man that things lookin nice!! i have the pullies and stuff but not scrap metral or a welder or grinder or anything...keep us posted on everything you do! learnin lots from it!

-Phil
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Tom Fox on November 24, 2006, 09:00:03 PM
George....It the pivot point of your clutch setup mounted directly to the chassis or is there a backing type plate used?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 24, 2006, 09:05:55 PM
It is mounted directly to the chassis the front sub frame to be exact. The center pivot bolt is a 1/2 shoulder bolt. There is a 1/4 inch spacer under the clutch plate to raise it to the right height. I drill a 3/8 hole and on the top side of chassis I use a flanged nut to tighten it up. I do not use a back plate It is right next to the end of the plate and it has a rolled lip on the end Its very sturdy and have never had any problems with any of my clutches mounted this way.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 24, 2006, 09:14:43 PM
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_frontendon.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/frontendon.jpg)

Ok here is the front end with all the parts assembled. At this point slip 4 wheels on and I have a rolling chassis. With everything on the bottom done time to flip it over and finish up top side

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_bottomfenndermount.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/bottomfenndermount.jpg)

Ok I have slipped the fenders on to bolt them in place to check rear wheel clearance. and fit. In the up coming pictures you will see a mower can be dropped to 4 inches and clear tires without one cut on the fenders or body work. You see in the above pic the fenders mount on the running boards in the original location.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_fendermounts.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/fendermounts.jpg)

here is a picture of the fender and seat mount looking from the rear and under the fennder. Useing the original mounts I added a 1 inch square tube on top of it to raise the fender 1 inch. 
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 24, 2006, 09:44:17 PM
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_fenderon.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/fenderon.jpg)

Here you can see the fender mounted and bolted down I used 5/16 button head allen bolts to bolt it down. I had to redrill and tap the holes into the squre tube the fender now sits on. These bolts allow the seat to sit dang near flush on the fender. Also allows the seat to slide back and forth easily on the bolts. As you can see the factory seat mount allows this. Its legal to do. And is a great fine tuning asset in handling.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_wheelclearance.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/wheelclearance.jpg)

With my tallest tire on the mower (turf Masters) you see they fit and still have right at a 1/4 inch clearance. And the chassis is 4-1/8 inch off the ground on the rear. And nothing has been cut.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_sideview.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/sideview.jpg)


Well here is an over viiew of the fenders with tires on and dash slipped in place with seat on top. With this done I can now slip the steering column in set the steering wheel height and finish the steering link to front axle. Dang almost ready to slip a motor on and test it out. Thats all for tonight. Will do more work tomorrow and get more pics. Hope everyone is enjoying this build. A teaser for ya. When this one is done I and my son is going to build another just like it only using a 820 transaxle and jackshaft for the super Stock/imow class. Anyways I am done for now.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: nomowjunk on November 24, 2006, 09:58:55 PM
Oh Man, Just looked into this lmr deal. I'm hooked.
 
   George , your build is great for me as one of my mowers I want to build is a MTD, looks just like yours. I'll be referring back to this often.

   My other mower is a Murray. How similar are they to the MTD?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: money89tractors on November 24, 2006, 10:06:47 PM
man george, that things really comin together! looks great amd the clearance on the fenders is so close!! keep up the good work.

-Phil
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 24, 2006, 10:36:36 PM
Thanks guys glad you all like the pics and postings. Nomowjunk depending on the year of the murray it could be way different yet build on any chassis is very similar. The basics are all the same.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Squidd on November 24, 2006, 10:53:53 PM
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_Clutcharmrodmnt.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/Clutcharmrodmnt.jpg)

Here is my rod mount for my clutch pedal. I make the arm then weld it to the 5/8 lock collar. I them slip it over the end of the pedal and uuse a bolt instead of the set screw to lock it down. I drill into the pedal and tap it so that I am screwing not only thru the collar but into the pedal also. Makes for a sure tight fit.

Good tip..I have a use for that...was looking for a way to mount a removeable steering arm on my front down shaft...was thinking cutting a keyway and "top bolt" but this should work as well..:thumbsup:
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: mowmanscott on November 25, 2006, 07:53:21 AM
George do you use 9/16" belt pullys and 1/2" belts? Scott
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 25, 2006, 08:08:18 AM
Mowmanscott quite honestly they are supposed to be 1/2 pulleys yet the belt sits very deep in them which leads one to think they are a/b pulleys. But in reality these mock up pulleys have more than 2 seasons of BP racing on them and this has actually spread the pulleys apart some giving the appearance they are bigger than what they really are.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: 64Vair on November 25, 2006, 09:42:30 AM
George,
This seems like a good place for this question.  I have a Sears "Companion" mower.  I am sure the steering is very similar to others.  At the base of the steering column is a gear, (like a window regulator gear), and it meshes with an identical gear, and from there goes to the front wheels.  Now the second gear in this set up is just stuck into a stamped hole in the frame.  Lots of play.  I will be making a new shaft for the gear, and bushings for the frame to eliminate the play.  I will also use heim ends intead of the stock ball joint ends.  My question is this, "Is there any stronger gear that can be used on these?"  That little stamped steel gear just seems a little weak to me.  I figure you are the guy to ask.
Thanks, and I am really enjoying this thread!
Tom
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Tom Fox on November 25, 2006, 10:00:07 AM
Thanks George for the update...I'm falling way behind!!!!......But sent one of my 350 tranny's out to Don for some of his mods and will be picking up another 40CI opposed twin tomorrow to become the EXPERIMENTAL modification motor (Thanks MOWRON1)!

Anyway.....I do have a question about your build.....You say that you leave your seat set-up so it still can be "ADJUSTED" for better handling..I understand that 100%......Can this be done with a mower that originally did not have this set-up?
My Craftsman from the factory had no provisions for moving the seat forward and backwards the amount that yours will move.......also....

AS stated per the 2007 USLMRA rules...
Quote
...Q) No offset or stagger. Body must be mounted in the center of the wheels. Tires must match in size per axle. Lawn mower seats only, in the stock location, no lower than the tops of the fenders or exposed rear tires and on centerline. Offset measured from centerline to the outside of tire sidewall. Wheelbase may not be altered.

Can the seat be offset to the chassis centerline and be legal?
Thanks!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 25, 2006, 10:24:21 AM
64vair I just come in for breakfast (I ate a pickle well 2) I am doing the steering setup now and should have pics tonight. I would never use a gear setup on a mower I was gonna race. Seen to many in accidents jump teeth and no matter how hard you try it won't go back without diassembly. Thus you are out of the event. With direct steering, you have no gears to jump may bend something but hey a hammer and ya back in. Just my thoughts.
Now to mowmans question technically no you cannot make the seat adjustable if it didn't come that way. And no you cannot offset the seat in the chassis either.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: 64Vair on November 25, 2006, 11:53:51 AM
Thanks George, this is exactly the info I am looking for.  While I am not planning on racing a mower, (still working on my car, will be racing that first!), I want my mower to be as safe as possible.  A buddy of mine is a deputy sheriff, and will bring home one of the radar guns for us to have fun with next summer.  I am a bit fearless, so I have to really make sure I have things right.  I am one of those guys who will push things to the limit, and maybe a bit beyond, and since there is not a lot to protec you on a mower, I need to have everything working as well as possible.  I look forward to seeing your direct steering set up. 
Also, what do you do about the front wheels?  Mine are on bearings, and the bearings are a rather loose fit on the front spindles.  I don't know if I should machine new spindles that are ground to a tight slip fit, or if there is an easier way.
Thanks
Tom
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: mowmanscott on November 25, 2006, 12:41:45 PM
Thanks for clearing that up for me George and sharing your build with us. I am watching very closely.  Scott
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: money89tractors on November 25, 2006, 12:48:00 PM
tom, the easier way would be to just buy new bearings for your rims with the right size center to fit your spindles. this does bring up another point tho, are you using the stock spidles that came on the mower? if so i advise you change them, the stocks are not ment to handle the kinda of speeds you may be applying to this mower.

-Phil
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: 64Vair on November 25, 2006, 04:05:35 PM
tom, the easier way would be to just buy new bearings for your rims with the right size center to fit your spindles. this does bring up another point tho, are you using the stock spidles that came on the mower? if so i advise you change them, the stocks are not ment to handle the kinda of speeds you may be applying to this mower.

-Phil
I am leaning toward your idea.  I look at the stock spindles, and there is really not a lot there.  I think a much better design could be made without a lot of trouble.  After all, if something goes wrong with the front end on this, things will happen fast, and all the things that will happen are bad.  At least in my car I have a 4 point 3" harness and 8 point roll bar.  On the mower I will have a helmet and the bones that God gave me.  And to be honest, I don't think God was thinking about high speed mower crashes when He gave me those bones!
Tom
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: money89tractors on November 25, 2006, 06:34:31 PM
you can custom fabricate yourself a front axle and spindles, or you can buy them, g-team sales everything you need to set up a mower, they have a fully ajustible front axle and a standard front axle.

http://www.g-team.us/FAST.htm (http://www.g-team.us/FAST.htm)

-Phil
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 25, 2006, 07:43:58 PM
E.C.Distributing also sells a complete fully adjustable axle. Give me a call anytime 615-446-6807
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 25, 2006, 07:52:25 PM
Ok all body work is on and chassis is a complete roller. Pics comin It didn't get out of the shop spent most of the day on a honey do list. The fridge went out we found a sweet deal on a used one looked new but she said the water and ice maker didn't work. Got it home and fond the water lines were rotted, So I took it apart and replaced them through out and she is working. SO I only had a couple hours to work on the chassis.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: 64Vair on November 25, 2006, 08:06:54 PM
you can custom fabricate yourself a front axle and spindles, or you can buy them, g-team sales everything you need to set up a mower, they have a fully ajustible front axle and a standard front axle.

http://www.g-team.us/FAST.htm (http://www.g-team.us/FAST.htm)

-Phil
Many thanks to you and George for your help.  I am not "racing" mowers right now, but who knows!  (I am a drag racer, really wish there were drag races for these!).  I did a little checking and it seems most rules require the cutter deck to be on the mower, with the blades removed.  I thought I might try a race or two, if they were close enough to home. I know I would not have a competative mower, only because mine is being built for other reasons, not to meet rules.  But since I do not have a cutter deck, and have no plans to put one on, I guess that is out.  One of my clients has a 1/4 mile oval track at his home where he and his friends race go carts.  I could always go there to have some fun, so that is cool.
Anyway, I will be contacting the link above to see about buying some spindles.  For the price hardly pays for my shop time to make them. 
Thanks again, your help is greatly appreciated.   Hot rodders are the greatest, be they hot rodders with cars, or hot rodders with mowers!
Tom
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 25, 2006, 08:17:48 PM
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_Sterringcolumnin.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/Sterringcolumnin.jpg)

Here you see the steering column in place inside the dash area.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_pitmanarmweldedon.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/pitmanarmweldedon.jpg)

Here is the pitman arm on the end of the shaft The next photo will show you the depth from where it comes thru the frame to the bottom of the frame.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_heghtreferancetobottomofframe.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/heghtreferancetobottomofframe.jpg)

With a striaght edge across the bottom of the frame this give you an idea as to the exact location I have it in. Just for you to know I make my pivot points on the spindle from center of king pin to rod bolt hole 4.5" then on the steering column from center of column to rod bolt hole anywhere from 2 to 2.5" I went 2.5 initially on this one but moved it in a 1/4". Just a bit more detail for you all to digest.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 25, 2006, 09:10:35 PM
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_draglinkstop.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/draglinkstop.jpg)

Here you can see how I gauge where to cut the sfaht off at. I leave it long enough it serves as a stop at full right turn. I don't have a stop for left turn I have never went over and The tire hits the grill before it does so it serves as a stop. I don't use that much left turn. Now the right in counter steering yea I sometimes hit full lock.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_overalllook.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/overalllook.jpg)

here is an overall view of my steering set up with the E.C. Axle. I have been using this setup for going on 5 years now. I love it 1/4 maybe a tad more is all you will ever turn the wheel in a race.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_fartherbacklook.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/fartherbacklook.jpg)

here is a better overall view of the steering and front end with tires on it.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: nor66 on November 25, 2006, 09:42:03 PM
one word :D AWESOME :D
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: savyxer on November 25, 2006, 09:49:31 PM
Amazing work George. I keep waiting for more and more updates
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Chris on November 25, 2006, 09:55:17 PM
one word :D AWESOME :D

:+1:


That thing is looking great man!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 25, 2006, 10:07:34 PM
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_hoodmountalignment.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/hoodmountalignment.jpg)

Now I am mounting the front grill mounts. I clamp a straight edge to the frame to be sure I am straight with the top of the axle and frame and then use a straight edge to make sure I am not at and off left or right.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_hoodmountalignment-1.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/hoodmountalignment-1.jpg)

See here I am checking to make sure its square to the axle. The hood mount holes are 11.5 inches center to center Frame is 13 wide so I went 3/4 of an inch from the side of frame and drew a line on the axle beam to know where to place the mounts.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_mountsweldedon.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/mountsweldedon.jpg)

Here you see both mount welded on and notice How I have drilled a hole stuck a bolt in and welded the head to the tube. Makes it easyier to remove the hood and grill simply spin the nut off top side don't need two wrenches to do it.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: mowdak1 on November 25, 2006, 10:12:31 PM
You know I never realized what short stubby thumbs Superman had! :rofl:
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 25, 2006, 10:19:56 PM
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_insidegrillmount.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/insidegrillmount.jpg)

here you can see how it sit right over the bolts To secure it a couple fender washers and flannge nuts and done.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_ontheground.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/ontheground.jpg)

Here is the first view of the rolling chassis with the body work mounted. Using the hood and grill from the 04 chassis was my back up this year.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_frontlook.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/frontlook.jpg)

Here is another view of it. Tomorrow it will come out of the shop for the first time for a better photo and I need to clean up a bit before continuing on with it. Still have to fix the battery mount location  and some tabs welded in dash area for upper grill support location, brakes motor and wiring then body work to paint it.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Tom Fox on November 25, 2006, 10:20:55 PM
You know I never realized what short stubby thumbs Superman had! :rofl:

That's because he hasn't had his spinich yet! (WAIT...Thats Popeye's thing)..

He hasn't got angry and turned green? (no...That's the HULK)

Gosh..your right ...he just has stubby thumbs!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 25, 2006, 10:39:11 PM
hahaha!!!!!!!
Title: Mower build
Post by: 64Vair on November 25, 2006, 11:26:51 PM
I see how you do the direct steering.  Very nice.  Not sure if I have room for that with the plow and hydraulics under the mower, may have to "re-engineer" a few things!  I notice a rather large primary drive pulley.  What is your final drive ratio?  Don't most rules limit you to 8:1???
Thanks!
tom
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 26, 2006, 09:03:03 AM
No the 8 to 1 rule is for IMOW or Super Stock only. I run a prepared class and may run any ratio I like. My final ratio is close to 6.5 to 1.  If your machine is gonna have all the hydraulics and nowblower stuff on I would put direct steer on it. You wouldn't be able to turn your steering simply to heavy. If you plan on a speed run I reccomend finding a smaller lighter chassis to hot rod.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: 64Vair on November 26, 2006, 09:37:04 AM
Can't argue with you George, you just know too much.  Just an FYI, This mower is planned for primairly snow plowing, BUT, my personallity will just not allow me to not screw with it!  No plans on "racing" it.  Will not go full out with the plow on, (enough chance of injury with a big heavy BLADE in the front that is able to chop, dice and slice body parts in a wreck!  I DO have a client who has a 1/4 mile oval dirt track in his back yard, only about 45 minutes from my house.  I suppose some fun running there would not be out of the question.  The plow comes off with 2 cinch pins, and that also removes the hydralics for the power angle.  Then a 1/2 13 bolt from behind the axle, along with a 3/8 24 nut from infront of the axle, and the lift hydralics and mechanism come off, all that is left are 2 trailer light plugs that go to the two pumps.  Right now the mower goes 10 to 15 MPH, (estimated guesstimate).   just put the cutter blade pulley on as the primary drive pulley.  As it works out, it is the largest pulley that will work on the motor without cutting anything.  Future gear changes will be made on the secondary drive pulley.  I am also going to look at putting disc brakes on it.  Right now, I don't really have room between the wheels and the chassis, so I was thinking about putting the brake on the drive pulley on top of the trans axle.  Do you think I should look more closely at extending the axles to put the disc brakes at the wheels instead? 
Thanks
Tom
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 26, 2006, 04:41:07 PM
Ax;e brakes are always best. Something inside that transaxle breaks you may have none if using the pulley as a disk.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 26, 2006, 05:56:00 PM
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_sidebyside.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/sidebyside.jpg)

First trip out of the shop, thought I would snap a couple pice with the present BP beside it.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_together.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/together.jpg)

heres another shot of them. Now to finish up a couple things (deck) grill support mounts, battery location.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_batterystops.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/batterystops.jpg)

Ok I put my battery behind the steering column under the dash. Here you can see I use 1/4 tubing to keep it located and I will run a aluminum bar across the top it won't move at all when top bar is on.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: money89tractors on November 26, 2006, 05:59:20 PM
man those things look good!! keep up the great work george!!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: nic_hayes on November 26, 2006, 06:05:07 PM
 :twothumbsup:NICE :banana:
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 26, 2006, 06:26:51 PM
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_rearofbattery.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/rearofbattery.jpg)
Here you see the back of the battery is up against the lip on the sub frame. Just to the right you can see the flangenut that holds the clutch assy.


(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_batteryunderdash.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/batteryunderdash.jpg)
Here you go the battery with dash on will be pretty concealed when fuel tank is in place.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_bracesupports.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/bracesupports.jpg)
On MTD's without side panels to hold the grill they have two rods that attach to the dash. I weld a 1/4" thick flat bar to the dash support cage So it has something to bolt to besides the plastic dash
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 26, 2006, 06:56:44 PM
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_grillsupports.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/grillsupports.jpg)
here are the grill support rods bolted to the dash and bar I weld in I drill and tap for 1/4 threads then simply run a bolt in no nut and makes for quick removal.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_hoodlatch.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/hoodlatch.jpg)
Here I weld a a bolt to the front of the side panel to hold the hood latch.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_bungielatch.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/bungielatch.jpg)
here is the bungies I use to latch the hood cheap a whole bag full at walmart for 3.99 like 20 mix sizes.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: matt25001149 on November 26, 2006, 07:09:32 PM
:thumbsup: lookin good goerge
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: 64Vair on November 26, 2006, 07:12:53 PM
  Sir George,
   Dropping back to your wire feed welder.  Your machine looks like a 110 volt.   Besides the splatter, any problems or hints to pass along?  I have something similar and I am just getting used to it

Just a quick note here. While I do like bigger and better welders, (the guy who does the welding on my heads uses a 300 amp TIG), the 110 volt wire feeds are better than you may think.  I have one I got from Mac tools years ago.  It is probably made by Tweco.  I used it to make the caliper mounts for the front disc brakes on my custom 62 Corvair.  I have hit them hard at 90 MPH, and no problems.  The car will be doing 110 or so in the 1/4 next year, (assuming I get the new motor in it) and have NO second thoughts about relying on the welds from a 110 welder to hold the calipers in place.  They can do a great job.  I have found that using a thinner wire makes a nicer weld than a thicker wire.  I use gas not flux core, 25% CO2 and 75% Argon.  (or may be the other way around, I forget!).
Tom
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 26, 2006, 07:25:25 PM
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_cuttingdeck.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/cuttingdeck.jpg)
Ok one last thing to do and it will be done except the body work and prep for paint. and thats the deck. Above is all I use of the original deck. Rules state you must use original steel deck Well I do but just a little bit of it.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_holdinginplace.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/holdinginplace.jpg)
I hold it up to the running board and mark my line on each end so I know how much to cut off the bottom. I want it the same thickness of my running boards.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_drawingcutline.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/drawingcutline.jpg)
This is a handy tool an aluminum yard stick. Very flexable makes a good straight edge even on rounded surface. I clamp it on one end then hold it on the other and mark it with a sharpie. Then cut the bottom off.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 26, 2006, 07:44:21 PM
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_rightdeckwelded.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/rightdeckwelded.jpg)

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_leftdeckwelded.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/leftdeckwelded.jpg)

Here ya go the deck pieces welded in place. Nothing left now but some slight bondo to clean it up and weld the shifter hole closed in the right fender then bondo it then finish the body work paint it and then the wireing and motor. (Another Big INDIAN) :woo:
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: money89tractors on November 26, 2006, 07:49:23 PM
wow, thats all you use of the deck? is that USLMRA legal? i would think you would have to use a bit more than that.

-Phil
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 26, 2006, 07:59:57 PM
Quote
Besides the splatter, any problems or hints to pass along?

No problems I love mine. I have never had a weld brake thats been made with this welder. Biggest tip for a newbie using flux core 110. Besure both surfaces are clean and take your time. It will once you become used to it and are familiar with it weld thru paint and lots of dirt because of the flux core wire. You say you use gas so it won't weld a dirty surface as easily. But I weld everything with it. It being flux core it you must run it higher to penetrate but thats one of the reasons it welds so well.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 26, 2006, 08:06:22 PM
Yup it is very legal I have run this exact setup for over a year AND have several chassis out there I have built for others running the same thing. And the fact this is all thats needed I don't understand why some of the other groups won't do it. As you can see it doesn't hinder the operation or create a clearance issue and in fact it does appear to have a deck. Thats all that USLMRA requires... Oh it must be from an original steel deck. Meaning you can't simply make your own from a garbage can lid. Believe it or not I have seen less used.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: money89tractors on November 26, 2006, 08:14:15 PM
now, on my case, the deck was attatched to the running boards and the running boards would move up and down, i can just do away with the whole deal and weld the running boards to the frame and the deck to the running boards and it would be legal?

-Phil
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 26, 2006, 10:19:28 PM
sounds like it
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: mowdak1 on November 27, 2006, 04:38:17 AM
You wanna get us a close up of the truck in the background here please... that looks interesting!

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_drawingcutline.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/drawingcutline.jpg)
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 27, 2006, 06:30:20 AM
Yea I will... its a 91 dodge my Dads ole truck he hit a deer and put the blue 87 front cap on it. I sure miss him. But we go on.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: mowdak1 on November 27, 2006, 12:05:18 PM
I was looking more at how short the wheelbase appears to be on it. Looks like the rear axle has been moved forward quite a bit or is that just the angle of the picture?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 27, 2006, 12:39:09 PM
NO NO NO.... Thats a trailer sitting by it with a dead refrigerator on it. But I assure you its a non altered short wheel base 91 dodge pickup.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: mowdak1 on November 27, 2006, 03:04:33 PM
OH!!! It just kinda looked like a reeeeeally short wheelbase old pickup (With a refrigerator in the back) in the picture.... nevermind! :lol:
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Robert Sparbel on November 28, 2006, 07:20:41 AM
Hi George,

Things are looking great! I have just one question.
In regards to your hood bungies... You say they are at Walmart a bag for $3.99
So what exactly are they? It's kind of hard for me to tell in the pic.

Thanks again,

Robert Sparbel
#938 IMOW #938 FX
R&T Racing Hudson WI
2006 WILMRA Rookie of the Year
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 28, 2006, 09:14:40 AM
They are just that Bungie cords with very small metal hooks on the end. The last ones the wife got me were in a small plastic jar she says and were by the touch up paint. She generally gets that kinda stuff for me.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Robert Sparbel on November 28, 2006, 09:35:44 AM
Hey, Thanks for getting back so quick! I'll have to check that out next time I'm at the mart  ;)
Those wives are always thinking of their Lawn Mower Racing men! Where would we be without them? Looks like you are in the same boat I am and have a keeper.

I know it's kind of early in the day for this but... Here's to all the Gal's that tolerate us Lawn Mower Racer men  :alcoholic: it's grape juice I promise!  8)

Robert Sparbel
#938 IMOW #938 FX
R&T Racing Hudson WI
2006 WILMRA Rookie of the Year
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Robert Sparbel on December 08, 2006, 08:35:30 AM
Wow no one has posted since my last post, I hope I didn't kill the thread  :omg:

anyways, I just wanted to let you know that I was at Walmart and I think I found the same thing you are using on your BP for your hood. I think I will find many uses for these in and around the shop.
Thanks for the good tip George.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: LVine2001 on December 08, 2006, 08:50:20 AM
Nope, George has just been really busy with his day job...
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on December 08, 2006, 08:52:33 AM
Good deal, Actually It ain't dead but just got the real heat in the shop Thursday, well its been there but no propane, Anyways I have to install the brakes yet wire it and motor so I can test before stripping for paint. SO there is still more to come. I am just down to tinkering on the weekends. Ben working late at work and once getting home spending whats left of the weeknights with the family the deserve a little of me to been a long summer.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on December 08, 2006, 08:53:32 AM
Thanks Lee see I ain't fibbing. Lee knows.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on December 17, 2006, 06:58:44 PM
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_rearbrake.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/rearbrake.jpg)

Well between working on customer mowers and racers, and having a bit of the flu I got out to the shop today and installed the brakes. First picture is the rear brakes with lines attached.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_frtbrakeassy.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/frtbrakeassy.jpg)

Above is a close up of the Hegar front brakes. The axle is keyed with a 3/16 key and has 2 set screws to keep it tight. Never had any trouble with these brakes.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_frontbrakes.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/frontbrakes.jpg)

Above you see both front brakes on. Next I will post the running of the front brake lines. I did something a little different there.



Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: mightymowe on December 17, 2006, 07:11:31 PM
I was just wondering,the crank that is in the oil pan in the last picture,has it been ground for cam clearance or was somebody just fooling around?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on December 17, 2006, 07:22:03 PM
Ok many of the MTD fenders have cut outs on the left side that allow the lines to go between the fenders and frame. Very nice fit and makes less work.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_linesthrufender.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/linesthrufender.jpg)

Ok here is where I stepped outside the box.. I bought some brake tubing from napa and ran the nylon brake tubing inside it. Keeps it from vibrating and gives it a cleaner look. Also some extra protection. I run this one down because the headers will be right there and this keeps it off the headers.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_linetuberight.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/linetuberight.jpg)

It also runs up and inside the frame around to the right side behind the steering column infront of the battery. Again extra protection of the lines.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_linetubeinside.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/linetubeinside.jpg)

Here it is a simple run right down the right side right on top of the chassis. No headers here toi dodge or get around.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_linetubeleft.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/linetubeleft.jpg)
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on December 17, 2006, 07:28:34 PM
And yes the crank was ground for cam lobe clearance this is the 31 crank used before the billet rods came out. It was from the older 16 hp ohv and used the new AVS rod and piston. Anyways good eye back to the build have a few more pics to post.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Grass_Reaper on December 17, 2006, 07:34:08 PM
George you do some nice work , lots of attention to detail. Been suffering from the flu myself!
Keep up the great work.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on December 17, 2006, 07:38:48 PM
Ok here you can see an aluminum plate. I used this as a back plate for the master cylinders to give them support so it doesnt flex the side panel. Also where the front brak lines go thru the side panel I used a rubber grommet to keep them safe.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_backplateandgrommethole.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/backplateandgrommethole.jpg)

Here are the master cylinders mounted and the all lines attached.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_mastercylinderandbias.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/mastercylinderandbias.jpg)

Here is my mechaincal brake bias. Very simple setup and I am going to make it adjustable on the fly from the dash. That will come later. It adjust from front to back.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_mechanicalbias.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/mechanicalbias.jpg)

Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on December 17, 2006, 07:40:20 PM
The mechanical bias is attached to the pedal with all thread rod. I used some blue fuel line and slid it over the rod to give it a better look.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Tom Fox on December 17, 2006, 07:55:10 PM
I see one of these in Georges future....
(http://www.wilwood.com/Products/005-PedalAssemblies/004-RBBA/CABLE-ADJUSTER.jpg)

Looking great George!!! When will you be dropping an engine in it for its maiden voyage?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on December 17, 2006, 09:04:05 PM
Mowman just send that one right on to me and I will slap it on. Can't afford the pretty stuff. I will be making my own instead.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: money89tractors on December 17, 2006, 09:10:49 PM
George, you do some great work dude! your build is looking SWEET!! keep us posted, we will/have learned a lot from you and your build(s)

-Phil
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: tractorracer12 on December 17, 2006, 09:25:08 PM
Hey there are a couple bias on ebay from 10 to 20 bucks.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Chris on December 17, 2006, 09:26:01 PM
I'd love to have a brake setup like that if I had the $$ for it!!!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: mightymowe on December 17, 2006, 09:37:59 PM
Thanks George I am starting to see how much work it takes to get the lift you want on a cam,and I really want front brakes on my next tractor.Under braking someone in the corners is the best feeling,and can sure make you look like you have a lot more engine.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on December 17, 2006, 10:27:46 PM
Thanks everyone for all the comments. As for the maiden voyage I be buying the battery tomorrow. Putting it in then installing motor and wiring it. I could have it test ready in roughly 2 to 3 hours. But I wasn't able to take advantage of the 72 degree weather this week. Been down with the flu. Now its gonna start raining tomorrow and temp start dropping again. And unless I get to feeling better I will only work on it a little at a time.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: 64Vair on December 17, 2006, 11:29:57 PM
George,
I can't tell you how much help this thread is.  It is so great to see the progress, and to read the thought process along the way.  It is fantastic that you are willing to share so much information that took you time and money to learn.  I think I can speak for about everyone when I say it is much appreciated. 
As we get into spring, I will be posting some photos of my mower build.  Unlike yours, mine is for fun, not really racing.  Still, there is a LOT that you have taught that I will be doing on my mower.
Once again, thank you for your sharing this information, it truly is appreciated.\
Tom
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Tom Fox on December 18, 2006, 05:48:23 AM
Thanks everyone for all the comments. As for the maiden voyage I be buying the battery tomorrow. Putting it in then installing motor and wiring it. I could have it test ready in roughly 2 to 3 hours. But I wasn't able to take advantage of the 72 degree weather this week. Been down with the flu. Now its gonna start raining tomorrow and temp start dropping again. And unless I get to feeling better I will only work on it a little at a time.

I've also had some type of "FLU" as well....not as severe as I've had in the past...but bad enough to slow me down as well!!!

The weather is unreal for this time of year. We had 55-60* days this past week. We are also expecting the wether to turn cooler this Tuesday...but only for about a day! Then back into the upper 40's to low 50's!

My build should be ready for testing in a few weeks as well....all depending on the weather!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on December 27, 2006, 10:49:38 PM
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_brontbrakeshims.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/brontbrakeshims.jpg)

Ok a couple things in this picture you should notice. the first notice the corner how I have taken a 4"grinder with a flap disk and rounded the corner. And also the shims between the actual wheel hub and the brake caliper assy. This is some times required because the caliper will just run the back of some rims. Note you cannot use a rim with more than 2.5 back spacing. True Roll rims do not hit. The ones I have are Circle/Van-k and I believe they have been bought out again by another company.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_diskonslidepins.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/diskonslidepins.jpg)

Here you see the rotor and the pins/dowels it floats on. When shimming between hub and caliper be sure you do not shim so much the rotor will float off the pins. This could result in a nasty ride at the end of the straight.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_mphsensormount.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/mphsensormount.jpg)

Here is an up close look at the mounting I make for the mph sensor which connects to my Digatron Tach. It is a magnetic type switch and trips everytime one of the dowles the rotor floats on passes by them.


(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_Batteryholddownandwirecover.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/Batteryholddownandwirecover.jpg)

Above you can see the new battery in place. I have some scrap aluminum angle pieces that I used to make the hold down. it goes over the rear top corner of the battery and as tighten it pulls down and forward locking battery in place. Also notice the rubber cover over the postive terminal. A serious must do.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_Batteryinandwired.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/Batteryinandwired.jpg)
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: money89tractors on December 28, 2006, 01:58:16 AM
George, mowers lookin nicer and nicer everytime i see it. somethin about the brake setup. the pins that the disk floats on, arent you worried that they are too short? that the disk will "twist" and pop off the pins? i know you said to make sure you dont shim too much, but it still doesn look like theres much there holding it.

-Phil
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on December 28, 2006, 03:24:11 AM
Well when I first did this 4 years ago I thought you know this might not work. But been runing the same wheels and brakes for 4 years now with no troubles there so I now know it works. Been tested in race conditions for 4 years. Don't get more confident than that.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Chris on December 28, 2006, 07:13:44 AM
George, what's that wire near the brake disc there?

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_mphsensormount.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/mphsensormount.jpg)
 
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: birdman_express on December 28, 2006, 07:34:36 AM
That would be his mph sensor which connects to his Digatron Tach.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Chris on December 28, 2006, 08:02:29 AM
Oh dude I want one
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on December 28, 2006, 08:51:30 AM
Call Digatron tell them I sennt ya and get ya one they can tell you alot of things rpm, mph, exhaust temp, lap times, highest rpm lowest rpm, per lap along with all other data. just to name a few.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Chris on December 28, 2006, 09:48:57 AM
That's freakin' sweet!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: matt25001149 on December 28, 2006, 04:49:42 PM
it would be like puttin your carputer on a the toro :D
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: kyle mcgee on December 28, 2006, 05:51:33 PM
^^^^ :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: ^^^^
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Chris on December 28, 2006, 06:26:46 PM
it would be like puttin your carputer on a the toro :D

The first hint of mud I saw though would ruin it :(


But imagine the GPS capabilities :D


I can browse HeyMow while crusin' in the woods :lol:
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: matt25001149 on December 28, 2006, 06:56:07 PM
roflmao that would be sweet
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: kyle mcgee on December 28, 2006, 07:15:28 PM
oh ya
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on December 29, 2006, 02:36:57 PM
Ok its all done and test drove it today. SIMPLY awesome right out of the boox.... Finish pidtures to come.. Stay tuned
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: kyle mcgee on December 29, 2006, 02:49:56 PM
looking forward to it George :D :D :D
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Squidd on December 29, 2006, 05:48:53 PM
Ok its all done and test drove it today. SIMPLY awesome right out of the boox....

Wait a second... :confused: ...


We seem to have missed the part where you show us all your motor secrets in the build... (http://www.reefmonkey.com/phpbb2/images/smiles/cool.gif)
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on December 29, 2006, 07:15:01 PM
thats coming be patient loading pics
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on December 29, 2006, 07:31:25 PM
Ok I use the factory key switch for two reasons. One for static displays where there may be kids around or getting on the mower for pictures I can turn off the key which kills power to Starter button So if a kid hits it it won't do anything. Also it will start and kill the mower less wear and tear on kill tether switch when testing at home and turns power on to the brake lights and oil pressure gauge light Both have an additional rocker switch on the dash. Lighting is not wired on this till after I paint it. That will be prolly first week of march.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_usingfactirykeyswitch.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/usingfactirykeyswitch.jpg)

I run the wires for the starter button and kill switch up through the boot  that covers the steering column above the dash thru a hole I drill in the steering wheel then over to the starter button and kill swicth in center of wheel.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_wireingofstarterbutton.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/wireingofstarterbutton.jpg)

Heres a shot of the wiring overall inside of dash. All will have colored loom over it once the mower gets painted.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_allwiredup.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/allwiredup.jpg)


Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on December 29, 2006, 08:13:13 PM
Ok here is the dash the business end of it. You can see the small aluminum plates I made to cover the existing holes in the dash. Left side has the oil gauge and will have a second light switch for the gauge light. the right will have a volt meter, I havn't found one I like yet. That way I can just look and see if the battery is hot or needs charging.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_steeringwheel-1.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/steeringwheel-1.jpg)

Here is a more top look at the steering wheel. 4 display digatron in top of wheel, Hand throttle just to the right of center with starter button right there. I grab the throttle and starter button at same time with right hand while slipping the cap on the tether with left hand. Tether switch dead center. Everything is real close and easy to get to with out having to look around.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_steeringwheel.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/steeringwheel.jpg)

Here is the throttle setup ast the carbs. I use a thrttle linkage kit from E.C. I believe the part number is lk-122. I do modify it just abit but each application will be different.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_throttlelink.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/throttlelink.jpg)
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on December 29, 2006, 08:27:48 PM
Ok I installed the rear sprocket and idler lined everything up with tranny and locked it all down.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_chainnsprockets.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/chainnsprockets.jpg)

Here is a closer look at the idler adjuster that we make and sell at EC to go with the tranny plate. It and the Idler sprocket is sold seperately. It has 4 holes in tranny plate to make adjusting no matter what the slack in chain is relatively easy.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_chainsetup.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/chainsetup.jpg)

Ok a tip for V-Twins guys the brather hose from the breather on the Indian I go to Advance Auto and get this little filter it is really for the valve cover of these little rice burners but works great on here. And its a washable and re-oil type filter. Comes in several colrs too.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_breatherfilter.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/breatherfilter.jpg)
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on December 29, 2006, 09:00:28 PM
Ok I am done with eveything on the lift so I set it down raised the front and installed the exhaust. Here you can see the whole bottom and exhaust ready to test.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_doneandexhauston.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/doneandexhauston.jpg)

This is how it looked for the first test run. No seat. But this test run is just riding around the yard get things hot and then put it back on the lift and check everything to see its all ok and check to make sure everything is tight and no problems with anything.
 
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_doneandtestrun.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/doneandtestrun.jpg)

Here it is complete and been run pretty hard for 15 laps. And it sure feels good. This is one of my best builds to date. Oh and BTW my front yard is huge and smooth!!!!!! and can run it pretty good. Up coming pics will show.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_doneceptpaint.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/doneceptpaint.jpg)
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: savyxer on December 29, 2006, 09:35:01 PM
WOW it looks awsome George can't wait to see it done.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on December 29, 2006, 09:46:07 PM
Well as you can see by the tracks it will get up and go.  :3gears:

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_spintracks.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/spintracks.jpg)

As you can see I have a good test area. this is the front yard.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_yard.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/yard.jpg)
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_rightyard.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/rightyard.jpg)

After the hard shake down here is the read outs on the digitron. These are the highest readings achieved in the 15 lap test run in 2nd gear. top left egt..exhaust gas temp top right cht...cylinder head temp bottom left mph...mile per hour and bottom right rpm...revolutions per min.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_digatrondisplay.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/digatrondisplay.jpg)

This concludes this build. All thats left is tear down, body work, and paint then wire lights and reassemble. Will run a couple exibitions at some monster truck shows before I do that. Prolly 1st of march before I paint.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: money89tractors on December 29, 2006, 09:50:42 PM
looks slick george. from the pictures, i can tell shes gots the power. whats with the slicks though?

40mph, only 2nd gear, thats nice, she'll fly for sure.

-Phil
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on December 29, 2006, 10:03:23 PM
I use them mostly for non-sanctioned races on dirt track, and at home cause they don't rip the yard up. Keeps the wife real happy. :woo: When she's happy life is grand.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: birdman_express on December 29, 2006, 10:14:27 PM
This is one of my best builds to date.

What makes this build especially good, versus your others?
(Which by the way look pretty nice)
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on December 29, 2006, 10:38:43 PM
ease of build due to all the EC parts. Its handles the best right off the lift of any I have done. Its the lowest build yet...dead on 4" frame height, and a couple little secrets that one must simply learn on their own.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: bigbadmower on December 30, 2006, 01:25:30 AM
By far tied as one of the greatest mowers i've ever seen the other was your other BP. i was also wondering were you got those tires.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Chris on December 30, 2006, 07:31:32 AM
I want to hear what that exhaust sounds like!

Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Tom Fox on December 30, 2006, 08:28:21 AM
George.....Any hints to us who the main sponsor wil be for this ride? Just wondering if we may see some new colors on you!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on December 30, 2006, 11:51:17 AM
I am glad everyone like the build. I assume everyone did. The puter part was time consuming... As for the sound I am on dail up and doubt that will ever happen. Sorry. As for 07 sponsors not sure yet, But if Diesel Power Additives Sponsor ship pulls out I have one lined up... E.C.Distributing will be come the main sponsor. The wife wants it to stay blue, and it is my favorite color too, so color may not change, although EC's color is red and if the price is right yup everything will become red!!! But simply am unsure at at this point.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: mowdak1 on December 30, 2006, 12:09:56 PM
But Red won't work nearly as well with your new driving suit that Randy bought for you! :rofl:
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on December 30, 2006, 12:17:31 PM
I figured you'd have some kinda comment on that one!!! Was just waiting to see how long it took. Pretty dern quick too.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: mowdak1 on December 30, 2006, 12:23:07 PM


:lmfao: You knew I wasn't gonna let that slide huh?!! :lmfao:
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Ty on December 30, 2006, 04:11:43 PM
well george your build is sweet.blue suit with a red machine wouldn't be bad , just make sure the cape is red though. :rofl:
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on December 30, 2006, 05:05:44 PM
YEA I figured if any one had a comment it would be good ole rocky.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: mowerracer313 on December 31, 2006, 01:10:31 AM
hey george where does one plumb a oil pressure guage in the indians
wanted to put one on mine but didnt know where
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on December 31, 2006, 05:11:51 AM
Some have it there just plugged some don't. Look sota to th lower front side of the oil filter adapter. It either has a plug in it or not there. I have one here without that I intend on drilling and taping. Will do some pics when I do it for ya.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: nor66 on December 31, 2006, 09:31:41 AM
although EC's color is red and if the price is right yup everything will become red!!!
Whats wrong with red??  I may be partial but red makes things look faster!!!!!   AWesome build George Thanks for all the tips !!!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on December 31, 2006, 03:05:59 PM
I have no problems with red my truck is red well the front cap is blue and rust.... But hey I live with the wife not EC and she likes blue so if she wants it blue period no options then blue it will be. She is the one that allows me to do this.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: mowdak1 on December 31, 2006, 04:08:48 PM
Dang! Squidd did a good job in picking out that suit if her favorite color is blue then; huh?? :rofl:
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on December 31, 2006, 08:11:41 PM
 :doh:
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: nor66 on January 01, 2007, 05:20:25 PM
Oh yea if she is like mine she always has the final word!!!! :bash:
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on January 01, 2007, 07:30:24 PM
Generally so. keeps peace. LOL
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: meangreen42 on January 01, 2007, 09:15:43 PM
Hello George, I was wondering where i could get one of those clutch systems that you use. The part with the idler wheels. Any help would be great!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on January 01, 2007, 09:42:03 PM
The clutch as seen on my mower is a complete unit you can contact us at EC DISTRIBUTING 2950 HWY 48 SOUTH DICKSON TN. PH.615-446-6807 FAX 615-446 Picture and price is below. Also at bottom is someother products I have been adding to the BTMRA site. Add more mower stuff as I get time.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_cutchonmower.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/cutchonmower.jpg)

Billet Clutch assy. complete with
belt giudes and mounting hardware      129.00

http://btmra.smfforfree2.com/index.php?topic=16.msg107#new
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: meangreen42 on January 02, 2007, 03:48:50 AM
Thank you George!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on January 05, 2007, 05:04:02 PM
Well its OFFICIAL, no more Desiel Power or Blue mowers. 07 official color will be red!!!! Get used to it boys I ain't one of the Big Dogs as its been said in the past NO MORE!!!!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: mowcephus on January 05, 2007, 05:16:49 PM
You're still a "Big Dog" to most of us George, and yes you still have to wear your cape ;)
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: money89tractors on January 05, 2007, 06:34:19 PM
i agree, you are a big dog to me george, i have really leared a lot from you, and from everyone else on the board.

no matter what the color of your mower, or your suit, ill be rootin for ya!

-Phil
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: offroadwhatever8 on January 05, 2007, 08:27:20 PM
^^^ Me to ^^^
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: chini on January 06, 2007, 12:26:45 AM
  YOUR STILL THE MAN!    KEVIN
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: nor66 on January 07, 2007, 09:29:02 AM
hey red will grow on you!!!! it don't make you any less of a racer!!!!   Everybody will see you now even better! :dance:
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: septemberrein on January 07, 2007, 07:01:54 PM
hey red will grow on you!!!! it don't make you any less of a racer!!!!   Everybody will see you now even better! :dance:

just as the cape will !!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: mowdak1 on January 07, 2007, 11:29:28 PM
Well its OFFICIAL, no more Desiel Power or Blue mowers. 07 official color will be red!!!! Get used to it boys I ain't one of the Big Dogs as its been said in the past NO MORE!!!!

Don't let it get you down George... Come out stronger, run harder, and make 'em regret the decision made! Go get 'em George, it's a new beginning, go out there and kick it dude!!






Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: birdman_express on January 08, 2007, 12:07:11 AM
Well its OFFICIAL, no more Desiel Power or Blue mowers. 07 official color will be red!!!! Get used to it boys I ain't one of the Big Dogs as its been said in the past NO MORE!!!!

You are our Big Dog.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on January 08, 2007, 06:31:28 AM
Well I really appreciate all the uplifting comments. I thank you all. And Rock the wife said the same thing. As far as I was concerned I was done just gonna run here or Arma, but hey I beat em before the sponsorship and it would be even more fun doing it without it. The wife says I ain't quitting to go kick some grass. LOL what a woman I got there. SO you bet guys I am gonna kick some grass. Be the first independant BP champion. Yehaa.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: TheMowinCuban on January 08, 2007, 09:28:52 AM
No worries for changing over to red.....(i liked red always better then blue anyways :D) So, are you getting a new sponser then?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on January 08, 2007, 12:24:02 PM
For now I still have Digatron, Bertrand Hydraulics, myself (Herrin Mower Sports), Precision cams, ARC, all as smaller sponsors BUT for now I will put our work logo and info on the mower till someone with deep pockets come along. 5000 will get anyone the primary sponsorship on my mower that includes the color of their choice, unless it is pink then that will cost them another 10,000. And to wear spandex lets just say there pockets arn't big enough. LOL
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: mightymowe on January 08, 2007, 02:52:30 PM
Hey as far as having the last word with the wife isn't it usually the guy that says "yes dear" in the end just to get the last word?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: money89tractors on January 08, 2007, 04:19:30 PM
5000 for a primary sponcership? WOW!! i would be happy to paint my mower and use anyones shop name for 200 at most....

ill chip in $15 for a nice picture of you in "the suit" ;)   :lol:

-Phil

Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: offroadwhatever8 on January 08, 2007, 04:55:59 PM
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5000 will get anyone the primary sponsorship on my mower


HOLY ****
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Squidd on January 08, 2007, 05:03:49 PM
Well what did you guys think a sponsorship went for ...$500 and some stickers...??


Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: offroadwhatever8 on January 08, 2007, 05:43:34 PM
ummmm, 5,000 dollars is kinda slighty ALOT of money...

dahhhhh  :doh:
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: money89tractors on January 08, 2007, 06:00:57 PM
actually, squidd, i was thinking less than that...

i would be happy if someone would sponcer me for 200-300$ and some stickers.
that would buy me a cart axle, a disk brake setup, and a few other things to make a decend racer.

-Phil
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: offroadwhatever8 on January 08, 2007, 06:07:40 PM
It would mean the world to me even if i was only sponsored 100 bucks
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: matt25001149 on January 08, 2007, 06:10:30 PM
my uncle basically sponsored my whole mower and i counted it out and really all he gave me was 1000$$


and that built my whole mower!!!!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: offroadwhatever8 on January 08, 2007, 06:18:58 PM
 :twitch:
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: speeddemon0308 on January 08, 2007, 06:19:11 PM
well me and my bro have to split the cheaks we get so it kinda sucks :mad:

but last year I( already divided into 2 )  got a total of about 900$( canadian that is!) and that put together about most of my machine!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: offroadwhatever8 on January 08, 2007, 06:44:14 PM
Well now i know how you guys get money to build these things  :whistling:. Makes me want to get to making the huffy into a racer even more  :bash:
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Chris on January 08, 2007, 06:47:35 PM
5000 will get anyone the primary sponsorship on my mower

So I guess I can't offer you $10 to put a sticker on there huh? :rofl:
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: money89tractors on January 08, 2007, 06:54:01 PM
make it $15 and ill put as many stickers as you send me on ANYthing ive got!! :P

-Phil
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: offroadwhatever8 on January 08, 2007, 06:55:53 PM
^^^ :lol: you dont even race :lol: ^^^
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: offroadwhatever8 on January 08, 2007, 06:57:29 PM
gimmie 100 bucks and i'll put one on the back of my sisters car  :lol:
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Squidd on January 08, 2007, 06:58:57 PM
Well, not to take Georges build thread too far off track, but this goes back to the spelling, grammar and communication skills thread we had not too long ago....and how important it is to landing a good sponsor...

Maybe a little incentive to start cleaning up your postings... :lol:

Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: offroadwhatever8 on January 08, 2007, 07:02:52 PM
 :noplease: I suck typing  :noplease:, any ways, i agree with randy this thread is getting off track. Just a little amazing you can get 5,000 for putting a advertisment on a lawn mower  :doh:
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: nor66 on January 08, 2007, 07:15:40 PM
just as the cape will !!
lmao!!!!! :lol2:
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on January 08, 2007, 07:58:35 PM
Ok guys let do some figuring, Last year alone I went to 15 us Races. The closest was 5 hours the longest drive was 19 hours. All but the 5 hour race was 8 or more. Of all the races on average a trip is 900 miles one way. Thats 27,000 miles. at an average of 15 miles to the gallon and lets just average it at 2.50 a gallon that comes out to 4500.00. That does not count food, motel, break downs or blow outs which I had a few, and mower repairs and maintenance or the personal exhibitions I do thru out the year. SO Making all those races and all the tv time I got and all the shows or exhibitions and appearances I make over the year I feel 5000 is not near enough. Thats just the minimum I will acceppt. If you wanna run the big leagues and sponsor a big league racer it will cost. Hail a half ACE nascar team now get 1.5 mil. a year plus incentives. So really for what I do or give a sponsor 5000 is cheap.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: money89tractors on January 08, 2007, 08:04:20 PM
good points george, i was thinking of just local racing, not the US races.

-Phil
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: hiflyer727 on January 15, 2007, 04:10:22 PM
George, getting back to when you cut out the frame for your rear axle, you said that it is based on the smallest tire that you will use......What size rim and tire is that predicated on?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on January 15, 2007, 04:29:03 PM
This was with 8x8 wheels with 16x7.5x8 carlisle turf pro's on the rims. It is 4" on the nose. With my race slicks being AMERICAN RACER 15x7x8 on a 8x8 wheel I am 3.5 inches off the ground. But I can adjust the cassettes and put it at 4".
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Tom Fox on January 15, 2007, 06:55:12 PM
Ok guys let do some figuring, Last year alone I went to 15 us Races. The closest was 5 hours the longest drive was 19 hours. All but the 5 hour race was 8 or more. Of all the races on average a trip is 900 miles one way. Thats 27,000 miles. at an average of 15 miles to the gallon and lets just average it at 2.50 a gallon that comes out to 4500.00. That does not count food, motel, break downs or blow outs which I had a few, and mower repairs and maintenance or the personal exhibitions I do thru out the year. SO Making all those races and all the tv time I got and all the shows or exhibitions and appearances I make over the year I feel 5000 is not near enough. Thats just the minimum I will acceppt. If you wanna run the big leagues and sponsor a big league racer it will cost. Hail a half ACE nascar team now get 1.5 mil. a year plus incentives. So really for what I do or give a sponsor 5000 is cheap.

Holy Cow George.....That is some serious traveling to races....but I'm sure it is pretty much a requirement with big sponsors!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on January 15, 2007, 07:15:36 PM
Yes sorta kinda, never signed a contract with them and was never told Do this or that, But I felt obligated to give them my best. BUT I ain't got the big time Sponsor no mow. It was pulled and given to another racer. Reckon they don't like me being the pres of BTMRA.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Tom Fox on January 15, 2007, 07:50:09 PM
Gotta love corporate politics!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: money89tractors on January 15, 2007, 07:53:18 PM
some sponsor  :noplease:

they didnt realize who they were letting go of appearantly.

-Phil
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: cycloneracer on January 20, 2007, 10:27:26 AM
Awating the arivial of my axle.  Was going over your pics to see what I needed to do to make it work.  Do you weld the axle in square? or do you put some angle to it.  In the pics it appears to be tipped back on the top slightly, or is that just the pics?
Also forgot to ask, can you make my rod for the direct steer when I get my length figured out?


Can't wait for the UPS guy!
Later
Paul
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on January 20, 2007, 12:53:34 PM
What chassis are you using. On an MTD the front of the frant is angled with the top being closer to the rear then the bottom. roughly 11 degrees. I weld it squure to the front of the frame. If you are using the craftsman frame if I remember correctly, the slot in frame is straight up and down. You can either lean it or set it up straight. The end plates have up to 12 degrees of caster adjustment in them.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: MTDrider1160 on January 20, 2007, 04:31:46 PM
Do all MTD frames have the axle tilted like that?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on January 20, 2007, 04:57:23 PM
I do not remember the year MTd changed over somewhere between 79 and 82 or 3 but if it has the box tunnel type frame as in my build yup they all do to present day.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: MTDrider1160 on January 20, 2007, 05:00:14 PM
I wonder why they changed?  Im suprised at those front axles, they take alot of abuse.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: cycloneracer on January 22, 2007, 07:58:39 AM
Yep, useing the craftsman.  The slot for the axle is gone,  I cut it out and welded a new piece to the frame rails.  So I can put it in anyway I want.  11 Deg tipped back at the top, correct?
Thanks again George



Paul
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Mowindown on January 22, 2007, 10:19:20 PM
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After the hard shake down here is the read outs on the digitron. These are the highest readings achieved in the 15 lap test run in 2nd gear. top left egt..exhaust gas temp top right cht...cylinder head temp bottom left mph...mile per hour and bottom right rpm...revolutions per min.

Hey George do you just run the CHT and EGT for one cylinder or both?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on January 22, 2007, 11:19:02 PM
I just pull all info off the #1 piston.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: IBuiltmine-o1oo on January 22, 2007, 11:31:22 PM
what happened to this post???

"After the hard shake down here is the read outs on the digitron. These are the highest readings achieved in the 15 lap test run in 2nd gear. top left egt..exhaust gas temp top right cht...cylinder head temp bottom left mph...mile per hour and bottom right rpm...revolutions per min."

Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Squidd on January 23, 2007, 06:09:53 AM
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Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Jeff Hosford on February 03, 2007, 06:40:27 AM
Hi all,  George your build was great . again lots of good information and pictures to. lots of questions answered as I'm building a 1997 yard machine and the chassis is just like yours. Thats why I was so excited to see someone build a chassis like mine. All help is welcome, this is my first build so it mite take me awhile to get it done. thanks again for all the pics. and info. can't wait to see it finished. :woo:
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on February 03, 2007, 07:55:26 AM
Jeff glad it was helpful to you.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on February 17, 2007, 09:06:00 PM
Well I have a monster truck show to do next weekend. Time has gotten away from me as usual. I have to strip the mower and get it painted. 23 degrees outside and snowing. But can't let thet stop me.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_snowing.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/snowing.jpg)

Look here at the sidepanel of the frame. As you can see I have started stripping it all down for paint. Sheet metal is already in the shop (10x10) sanded primed sanded again and painted, as you will see in upcoming pictures. Anyways to slick up the look of the chassis and give more decal room, I had some Thin aluminum panels made that I pop rivet on to cover all the holes. The panels are nothing more than race car sheet metal. You can get it in all colors but the black was free. So I took it.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_sidepanel.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/sidepanel.jpg)

Here is the sheetmetal/body work. Its all painted up in the new colors. E.C.Distributing RED. I actually like it better than the blue. My daughter is heart broken. She is so emotional for a 9 year old. Everytime she see's the new color or it's mentioned she sulk's up and cry's.  Anyways enough of that. The frame is now in the shop as I type and primed. Tomorrow I hope to have it sanded and the color sprayed before the big Race. Will just have to see. Then Monday I will start assembly.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_sheetmetalpainted.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/sheetmetalpainted.jpg)
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: money89tractors on February 17, 2007, 09:11:43 PM
nice work George!  youll really stand out with the EC red!! its bright!!  your poor daughter :(. Cant wait to see it when its all assembled!  good luck at the monster show too!

-Phil
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: matt25001149 on February 17, 2007, 10:04:41 PM
sweet color :thumbsup:  more pictures plz :D
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on February 18, 2007, 10:55:18 PM
well heres the frame painted. Primed it last night and had her painted by 10 this morning. Went out after the Daytona 500 and started reassembly.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_framepainted.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/framepainted.jpg)

As you can see I have started putting it together
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_assemblystarted.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/assemblystarted.jpg)

Here the rear axle is back in I did a bit of modifing on the weldments anyone notice the difference.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_rearaxlein-1.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/rearaxlein-1.jpg)

Here is the rear brake assembly mow later.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_rearbrakeon.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/rearbrakeon.jpg)
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: crocco58 on February 18, 2007, 11:31:09 PM
comig along good 8)
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: matt25001149 on February 19, 2007, 01:08:19 AM
Here the rear axle is back in I did a bit of modifing on the weldments anyone notice the difference.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_rearaxlein-1.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/rearaxlein-1.jpg)

what u cut the tabs off for??
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Tom Fox on February 19, 2007, 06:10:28 AM
what u cut the tabs off for??

Looks like now he can get remove his rear axle assembly without removing his cassette adjusting/locking screws. Prior to George's modification, he had slots cut into the cassette holder to gain access/clearance to the adjusting/locking screws. Now it's nice and clean lookin'!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Chris on February 19, 2007, 11:25:03 AM
So far the red looks good!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Flipper on February 19, 2007, 12:46:14 PM
George, I am seriously digging that RED!!!!....it may be a time for change, and it may be for the better!!!!!!...it will grow on daughter!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on February 19, 2007, 02:05:49 PM
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what u cut the tabs off for??

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Looks like now he can get remove his rear axle assembly without removing his cassette adjusting/locking screws. Prior to George's modification, he had slots cut into the cassette holder to gain access/clearance to the adjusting/locking screws. Now it's nice and clean lookin'!

Dang very attentative there mowman. You are exactly right. I stripped it down in 16 degree weather with it blowing snow in on me. And I was trying to disassemble stuff as much as I could and keep it as complete an assy as I could with as little work as possible. On the brake rotor side you should have tried getting that dern little screw out with the rotor/disk in place. With it previously I couldn't drop the axle without removing them screws. NOW I can simply remove the 3 on the back side and drop it straight down. Quick and easy.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: rebelchild16 on February 19, 2007, 02:09:31 PM
Can't wait to see the decal work!! You know all that yellow letterings going to be cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on February 20, 2007, 11:48:20 PM
Well this was midnight Monday Night. The rear half completly done. Brakes back on and bled, Even got my famous brake lights on and wired and working. Gotta have the brake lights its my signature.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_halfwaythere.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/halfwaythere.jpg)

Tuesday evening, Ok gone as far as I can in the shop. Its short sleeves again believe it or not. Back out on the lift. Motor on tranny in clutch on drive is complete. Just gotta add the chain and exhaust then hood and grill. OH notice all the BILLET. Part of mt sponosrship. E.C.Distributing. I am running the 8" and 5" billet pulley's we make and the billet clutch assy. Tranny plate chain tensioner and front axle assy.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_somenewgoodies.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/somenewgoodies.jpg)

Well here is what you all have been looking for 10pm at night after a few laps in the front yard. Yup I got street lights out here in the country and can ride at night. And no close neibhors. The first look at the newly painted 07 EC Distributing, Bertrand Hydraulics, Digatron, Precsion cams, ARC Racing, herrin Motor Sports Chassis and engines Amsoil, SUPER SPORTSMAN. Sorry I sounded like a commerciial. I couldn't resist it.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_firstpicture.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/firstpicture.jpg)

Here is another look. I havn't put the lense in yet because I havn't figured out what color I am gonna paint it. SILVER or BLACK or maybe even yellow A yellow number same as on the hood and another sponsor logo yellow and white will be on it. Your thoughts. I will take it to work tomorrow and make a new shifter my welder finally died (wore out) and put a transmission/shifter cover on, make a chain gaurd. And she will be done. This is chassis no.7 by the way. Of my personal racers of course. I can't even begin to count how many I have actually built over the years.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_2ndpicture.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/2ndpicture.jpg)
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: money89tractors on February 21, 2007, 05:28:20 AM
Man that thing is Purty!! You do some really great work George. I think the red looks really good, it really stands out. All that billet is sweet! its a shame it will rarely be seen, no worries about those pullies blowin up on ya though. Again, great work George, ive really learned a lot from this and your sons build.

-Phil
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: LVine2001 on February 21, 2007, 08:24:48 AM
As usual you have done a great job George. That thing looks awesome. Thanks for all of the info and good luck this year.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: crocco58 on February 21, 2007, 01:59:34 PM
that thin is clean
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Mowindown on February 21, 2007, 02:19:27 PM
Looks great George.  Good luck this year.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Tom Fox on February 21, 2007, 06:52:28 PM
Looks really good George...but I really liked your blue colored mower's better.

I like red, but I guess being on a mower (racing mower) it hasn't grown on ME just yet (just like the color green I also don't care for on racers)....But who am I.....As long as your happy..I'm happy!

Just letter the heck out of it!!!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: mowdak1 on February 21, 2007, 08:02:37 PM
Don't worry the cape is RED!! The Super George suit will still work with the color scheme!!

Or is that why you painted it red?  :woohoo:
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on February 21, 2007, 08:06:15 PM
While I did like the previous color ALOT!!! The red is growing on me. May not ever be liked as much as the blue since it is my favorite color but its a new year a new club and association and a new beginning. Got to start somewhere. Thanks for everyone's comments. And NO rocky I never had the super suit in mind. LOL All sponsor dictated.  :woo:
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: mowdak1 on February 21, 2007, 08:10:41 PM
Maybe the sponsors got wind of the suit! They ordered your driving suit for you yet? :rofl:
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: nor66 on February 22, 2007, 09:27:06 PM
DUDE THAT THING IS FREAKING AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!! I appreciate all the info you have been so gracious to include on this post!!! Has really helped me and i am sure you have helped alot of other struggling builders on here to :roflbow:

AND BY THE WAY DID I MENTION THAT RED IS COOL!! LOOKS REAL FAST TOO!!!!

Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Snowman18 on February 22, 2007, 10:10:42 PM
Looks like a Ferrari, long low fast and red, have you picked a color for the front lens yet if not black would work the best in my opinion (best contrast). You plan on runnin' at the Illinois double header this year if so I hope to see you and Lucky No. Seven there.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on February 22, 2007, 11:20:11 PM
The lense is BLACK looks good too!!! I am off in the morning to Miss. for a Monster truck show over the weekend!!! I will get some good daylight pictures. As for the ill. Double header. Unfortunaltely no!!! It was deemed by the higher power in USLMRA that I not be allowed to race US races or attend anything that is run by USLMRA. In other words I have been banned from the USLMRA and all USLMRA contorled websites. Attend some ARMA races and you will find me!!!! No freakin politics there!!!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Snowman18 on February 22, 2007, 11:47:43 PM
First Bert now you, what is this world comeing to, is there no end.

Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: silverfox on February 23, 2007, 05:36:38 AM
Sir,  YOU were banned ?????   Why would a national organization ban a god fearing man like yourself?  Too popular, too open, too giving or ??????

It really is a question that should be answered!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Tom Fox on February 23, 2007, 05:47:31 AM
The lense is BLACK looks good too!!! I am off in the morning to Miss. for a Monster truck show over the weekend!!! I will get some good daylight pictures. As for the ill. Double header. Unfortunaltely no!!! It was deemed by the higher power in USLMRA that I not be allowed to race US races or attend anything that is run by USLMRA. In other words I have been banned from the USLMRA and all USLMRA contorled websites. Attend some ARMA races and you will find me!!!! No freakin politics there!!!

Well, the USLMRA lost a great promoter of their association now. I'm sure, knowing how most racers are, some will be very upset and others will be glad. Racing is kinda strange....

My best friend was a karting champ back in the late 70's-early 80's running in an unlimited twin engine class. He dominated for a few years...then people complained that he is ruining the sport because he was putting to much money into his operation and always winning...so what did they do??? Banned him! For no other reason that he was not setting an example to the karting world by spending thousands and thousands of dollars. "We are trying to keep this an affordable sport for all to enjoy" was their responce, "and you are spending money like it is going out of style".....well the reality of it was he was an excellent driver. He did spend money for the best of what was out there, he owned a machine shop so fabrication of components was easy and so on.......

Strange thing......if you win to much in a AFFORDABLE racing class...someone will find a way to stop you from winning!

I don't know Georges whole story, but thought I'd share what I have seen in the past.


Either way......

ARMA is gonna grow fast now with George!!!

Good Luck George!!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Scurry Murry on February 23, 2007, 06:26:20 PM
George... I like the hood selection, I just seem to know someone else who has one just like it... The sponsors love that wide open space....  :badgrin:

Awesome looking mower.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Flipper on February 23, 2007, 07:43:47 PM
Sir,  YOU were banned ?????   Why would a national organization ban a god fearing man like yourself?  Too popular, too open, too giving or ??????

It really is a question that should be answered!

I second that....In some of my brief conversations with George, He will tell you like it is, no need to sugar coat it. One of the most down to Earth guys there are. That's probably what they a afraid of. We need more God fearin' guys like George.......and with that, I just joined ARMA too!
G-man...thank you for sharing your build with us...pretty sure I would have been lost on my CP Build with out your post.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: eddiehenjr on February 23, 2007, 10:29:04 PM
George, what motor are you running in this build?  I don't think I looked hard enough ;)
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: silverfox on February 24, 2007, 08:03:44 AM
George and the ARMA.   I had some interaction with the ARMA when it was formed.   These are good people.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on February 25, 2007, 08:54:45 AM
Yup ARMA and Paul Schafer Motorsports are great folks. Very impressed after them this past weekends moster truck show. Simply had a ball. Look for a report on that.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: grassthrasher on February 25, 2007, 04:41:57 PM
wow looks nice

how much do those billet clutch assy cost?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on February 25, 2007, 07:15:13 PM
Complete billet clutch is 129.00
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Scurry Murry on February 25, 2007, 08:35:42 PM
Well, that don't sound like a good situation what ever went on.. I was hoping to meet you, and check out your mowers. How big is the ARMA i'm guess its pretty far away from where I call home in South Dakota. Keep on keeping on George, i've learned a lot from you and I haven't even met you.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on February 25, 2007, 10:10:23 PM
You are correct it is not, is not, nor ever will be a good thing, and I don't see things ever getting better or things changing. ARMA is new and growing fast. And much cheaper for the racer as a whole. And whether the maingroup is close or not it will never get closer unless someone starts a group. MAybe some day we will meet and I am glad I have helped you even in not meeting you.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Snowman18 on February 26, 2007, 08:47:52 PM
I will continue at this time to run with our local group, but will never run in a national race, I'm tired of the political :censored:.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: eddiehenjr on February 27, 2007, 11:57:52 AM
I will continue at this time to run with our local group, but will never run in a national race, I'm tired of the political :censored:.


What political ::censored:: ?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on February 27, 2007, 08:11:17 PM
Well I posted on a few USLMRA LC sites a reminder about the Build Clinic and the heads of the groups were asked to remove my posts and remove me from the sites. Sucks I can't even communicate with the races without getting flack or the groups heads getting flack.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: septemberrein on February 27, 2007, 08:52:58 PM
Well I posted on a few USLMRA LC sites a reminder about the Build Clinic and the heads of the groups were asked to remove my posts and remove me from the sites. Sucks I can't even communicate with the races without getting flack or the groups heads getting flack.
All cause you are not sanctioned racer I take it .
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Tom Fox on February 27, 2007, 09:21:43 PM
Well I posted on a few USLMRA LC sites a reminder about the Build Clinic and the heads of the groups were asked to remove my posts and remove me from the sites. Sucks I can't even communicate with the races without getting flack or the groups heads getting flack.

Did they also take your NUMBER(s) you been using for the past years on your mowers?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Scurry Murry on February 27, 2007, 09:32:20 PM
Well if you ask me they are shooting themselves in the foot. It takes experienced builders to share their ideas in order to gain more members. With out a lot of insite from builders like your self I wouldn't of been building a mower to run in the USLMRA. Its to bad that even mower racing has came down to politics, i'm new I don't understand but i'm sure I will get it in a few years.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: LVine2001 on February 28, 2007, 11:37:52 AM
"And much cheaper for the racer as a whole." -  G.Herrin

How is it cheaper ?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: eddiehenjr on February 28, 2007, 11:40:53 AM
Well I posted on a few USLMRA LC sites a reminder about the Build Clinic and the heads of the groups were asked to remove my posts and remove me from the sites. Sucks I can't even communicate with the races without getting flack or the groups heads getting flack.

I don't get it... do they think you'd give 'newbies' like me really good tips so we'd be feared or something!?  They just think you're a force to be reckoned with ;)
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: money89tractors on February 28, 2007, 12:59:43 PM
"And much cheaper for the racer as a whole." -  G.Herrin

How is it cheaper ?

Prices to race a generally lower with mower racing than most any other racing out there. Take 4 wheeler racing for example, you have to pay up to thousands of dollars for a new or even used quad. Then you add in all the performance parts you have to buy to be competative, like tires, rims, and so on, and its very expensive.

With mower racing, you can get mowers for free, make them run, pull the blades off, and race. And then to get into IMOW, its extremely cheap. If you have a transaxle, all you have to do its race prep it, and if you lower it, make or buy a jackshaft. Then buld or buy yourself a front axle and spindles thats no more than $200 at most. So compaired to other sports, mower racing is cheap, extremely cheap.

-Phil
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: LVine2001 on February 28, 2007, 01:04:13 PM
What I meant was ARMA vs other organizations.

I totally understand $$ LMR vs $$ other motorsports that's partially why I am here.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on February 28, 2007, 01:50:40 PM
It is cheaper because the Association pays the insurance at this time. Thus the LC does not have that insurance cost after every race that they must come up with. Thus the races fees can be lower or none. Plus Annual membership is 25.00 a year US is 35.00. And the insurance is as good as any out there. Standard 2 mill. liability which covers all parties, plus the usual medical for the drivers that are participating. I can fax a break down or email. Thus without the insurance fee coming out of the local LC pocket means less overhead and less overhead means the rcaer if the LC does it right will pay less out of his/her pockets. Depending on how many attend an event under US insurance it isn't uncommon to have 300.00 or higher insurance bill after each event.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: LVine2001 on February 28, 2007, 01:55:50 PM
Interesting. If you would kindly send that breakdown to me lvine2001@yahoo.com.
Thanks George.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on February 28, 2007, 04:34:57 PM
I presume my number 6 is now available since I am no longer around. Its a good lucky number whom ever gets it I hope does it proud.!!!!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Tom Fox on March 01, 2007, 07:18:46 AM
I presume my number 6 is now available since I am no longer around. Its a good lucky number whom ever gets it I hope does it proud.!!!!

I will!!

Since the wife was considering racing an IMOW ....I thought what the heck...lets register and get her a number (she din't like mine #617..so..)...this morning I registered the number 6.

Heck I may just take that number and make my build a GEORGE HERRIN tribute mower!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: silverfox on March 01, 2007, 07:33:16 AM
  Way to go Tom !!!!!   I'll bet you feel faster already :-)   Hey George, what number did the ARMA give you?  #1 ???????
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: rebelchild16 on March 01, 2007, 07:49:49 AM
It would be awsome to have George Herrin tribute mower in the USLMRA!!!!! GO FOR IT!!!!!!!!! Need to paint it like superman with big remember George on the side of the hood or something!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: silverfox on March 01, 2007, 07:55:24 AM
 No No No  They would ban it :badgrin:
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on March 01, 2007, 10:38:52 AM
NOPE I satyed with my #6. I been number #6 all my life, not gonna change now!!! A tribute mower. That is an aswesome gesture on your part... Thank you kindly.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: LVine2001 on March 01, 2007, 10:44:38 AM
I donno I am on the fence on this one.

I understand the tribute part but I also know George hates IMOW's so isn't this going to be bit of an oxymoron?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Tom Fox on March 01, 2007, 11:07:45 AM
I donno I am on the fence on this one.

I understand the tribute part but I also know George hates IMOW's so isn't this going to be bit of an oxymoron?

NO PROBLEM!  Consider MY B/P #6 now!.......And I'm really considering a BLUE paint job!

George...got any Herrin Mowesrports decals you can send?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on March 01, 2007, 12:31:46 PM
I hated the old style IMOW's. That was an unsafe mower in my opinion. We tried for several years to get the present 07 chassis build for an IMOW. Regardless I love the new IMOW format. Very safe and should present much better racing now!!!! And YES I have some stickers I can send. Email me your addy and your mower color.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: allen minaker on March 01, 2007, 07:02:47 PM
You better save me a couple of the stickers , I'v been waiting over a year for mine . LOL
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Tom Fox on March 01, 2007, 08:22:51 PM
Well....just got this EMAIL and I may not be getting #6 after all....

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Tom, You registered the #6 recently in the USLMRA Database.
For some reason the database software allowed you to register a number that had already been registered to some one else. You are not the only one there are 2 other people that this has happened to as well and we are trying to resolve the issue with the database software so please be patient while we get things ironed out, my appologies.
This number is very popular for obvious reasons and we are making every effort to resolve this issue to everyone's satisfaction.
Thank you for your patience.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Mowindown on March 01, 2007, 08:54:36 PM
Sounds like George is several peoples HERO!  :P
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on March 01, 2007, 09:38:15 PM
WOW!!! Never dreamed my number would be wanted by so many!!!! LOL reckon I got more freinds than I realized. Oh well maybe it will be treated right by whom ever gets it.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Tom Fox on March 03, 2007, 08:07:01 AM
Well George.....I'll take care of it for you.

Just got the official word...

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We are all set it's yours, congratulations, display it proudly.
Lee Vine
MNLMRA LCP
USLMRA Numbers Guy.

Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: DAntheman943 on March 03, 2007, 08:34:31 AM
How much did the mower parts coast you overall?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on March 04, 2007, 04:03:12 PM
A roling chassis alone you looking at roughly 1500.00 depending on parts you buy and who you buy them from. I had many already and some were sponsored, soem donated some I bought. It can be done for less but that is a personal preferance. You get what you and your wallet can afford and have fun with it. As time and money permits you upgrade and build better. I didn't get what I have or where I am over a couple weeks time. It was over a close to 8 years stretch to get where I am. And as said earlier, this is my personal chassis#7. Although I have built many more for other racers which also alllowed me much R&D
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: DAntheman943 on March 04, 2007, 04:33:41 PM
kool thanks
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: LVine2001 on March 05, 2007, 08:31:14 AM
It is cheaper because the Association pays the insurance at this time. Thus the LC does not have that insurance cost after every race that they must come up with. Thus the races fees can be lower or none. Plus Annual membership is 25.00 a year US is 35.00. And the insurance is as good as any out there. Standard 2 mill. liability which covers all parties, plus the usual medical for the drivers that are participating. I can fax a break down or email. Thus without the insurance fee coming out of the local LC pocket means less overhead and less overhead means the rcaer if the LC does it right will pay less out of his/her pockets. Depending on how many attend an event under US insurance it isn't uncommon to have 300.00 or higher insurance bill after each event.

George, have you had a chance to get a copy of that breakdown?
I would be interested in how that insurance policy is written.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on March 05, 2007, 08:52:45 AM
Havn't even been home haredly since then. Will get something asap.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: mowinmachine on March 06, 2007, 10:28:21 AM
Hey George,
I spent 40 minutes reading all your posts on this build mainly because I am now doing my steering setup. Never done one before, so I needed some ideas. I have to say I like the fact that you do not overengineer your stuff. Nice, simple steering. Great idea using bolts for belt guides. I was going to go with little pieces of 90 degree angle iron, but those bolts looks super-simple. So I'm stealing that idea from you!
Nice work-
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on March 06, 2007, 11:54:19 AM
Glad you liked it and it helped you get ideas. I am a simple person and try to do things without spending money or as little as possible.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Ty on March 06, 2007, 01:27:23 PM
Glad you liked it and it helped you get ideas. I am a simple person and try to do things without spending money or as little as possible.
you are not the only one ,I do alot bardering  .I try not to spend a lot of money on the builds . So far I think I have around $200.00 between the two racing builds that I'm currently workin on .
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: chini on March 06, 2007, 09:40:25 PM
  Hey George, I also would like a copy of the insurance policy. Our track is on donated property, and there is some concern about them being covered. I spoke with Aaron today, he assured me no problem. I just wanted to be able to show the honcho's, so their minds are at ease.
 The paper work is in thier hands now. I tried to stress the urgency of getting this done. She soppose to send it tomorrow.
  Anyways, nice tractor.        KEVIN
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: chini on March 07, 2007, 11:01:33 PM
  Hey George, thank you for the paper work! It did the trick. She keeps asking for info, and I keep giving it to her.  THe app. is in the mail , so I hope Aaron gets it by the end of the week.   Thanks agian KEVIN
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on March 08, 2007, 06:08:02 AM
Very welcome.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Kiddanger on March 08, 2007, 12:43:35 PM
Id like to say you have an awsome new tractor there - looks sharp in either color blue or red . I have a mid 90's Murray im currently tinkering with, i dont really have plans to race it ( id haveta travel a bit far to do thet), its just basically an experement ive thot aboot for the last few years. For now its basically stock with some mods ( pulleys, bigger engine swap) , but plan to go more exotic as time and money allows.  I noticed you used a 1995 style MTD hood ( same style on new bolens as well i recently saw at Lowes) - I have one of these tractors as well, the only difference is i plan on restoring mine. Its a limited edition 'Team Lowes Racing' sticker package with a 18.5HP twin cylender flathead Briggs - the 42" deck , and oddly enough it has 4 wheel steering. I have to belive its rare since noone ( not even Lowes ) has herd about it. I plan on a slightly over OEM restore ( clearcoat paint- polish the engine)  and have new decals made ( originals are long out of stock - non exisant). Im still gathering parts for it ( need to get some OEM hubcaps) since i got it in pretty rough shape , but the price was right - it was free.
Good luck on your racing season
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: THawley08 on March 09, 2007, 09:44:27 PM
Hey George could you tell me the dimensions of your clutch. I am goign make my own out of 3/8 aluminum and i just wanted to know the dimensions. Thank You
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on March 11, 2007, 03:41:37 PM
Never measured it, we use 3 inch pulley's and leave app. 1 to 2 inchs between them for access to center pivot point
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: grassthrasher on March 15, 2007, 11:53:45 AM
I used bolts too for my belt guides  :P
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: hiflyer727 on March 21, 2007, 10:25:44 AM
George, with the tranny plate from EC, this only allows for the rotor and caliper to be mounted on the left side of the frame as you did here in this build, correct?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on March 21, 2007, 10:36:49 AM
That is correct. You can also mount it on the right on the outside of frame also but my pedal is on the lfet so I mount it on the left also.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: hiflyer727 on March 22, 2007, 09:58:23 AM
George, I just received the cassettes, bearings, and new style cassette holders (not curled up on the sides) from you today. Now, I am using the exact same frame as you did here in this build, 11/4" axle, 8 X 8 rims, with Turf Pros 16 X 7.5 X 8. My question: do the measurements of 28 7/8 inches from front of frame side panel to front edge of cassette holder remain the same, and 2 1/4 inches from top of panel to top of cassette holder?  Thanks.   Thank you for sharing all your insight with us when doing your build.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on March 22, 2007, 12:07:30 PM
Your new measurement should be 28-1/4 from front of frame to cassette holder and 2 3/4 inch from the top of panel to top of cassette and you will be in the same loctaion as I am with old style cassettes.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on March 22, 2007, 12:08:05 PM
Oh and you are very welcome
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: redline on April 19, 2007, 09:07:04 AM
George, I was wondering how the brake set-up with the fixed caliper was working. Usually the caliper floats, and I was curious as to how it was performing, relative to the floating design. Any difference noticed?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on April 19, 2007, 11:38:47 AM
the caliper is actually a dual caliper setup. (KART) each side has its own seperate piton and pad and has individual lines. So it works great center it on the disk when mounting and DONE.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: tory on April 27, 2007, 06:40:11 PM
HEY GOERGE,Isnt it time we start seeing something red on you avatar?
no sense in promoting an expired sponsorship right. ;)
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on April 27, 2007, 07:05:59 PM
Yes indeed my friend. I am looking for a real good action photo with the new paint and all. Have some but not quite what I am looking for as of yet. It is coming though.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on May 25, 2007, 11:51:07 AM
Here are a couple shot of the beast in action. I love this first one sideways and toting the front tires
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_LawnMowerRacing5-12-07864.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/LawnMowerRacing5-12-07864.jpg)


Here is another sideways and diggin hard. This thing is simply a brute off the corners.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_LawnMowerRacing5-12-07752.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/LawnMowerRacing5-12-07752.jpg)
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: MTDrider1160 on May 25, 2007, 01:02:25 PM
Haha I'll say!!  Whos that behind you in the second picture?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: grassthrasher on May 25, 2007, 01:42:17 PM
it look mean with the nice roster
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on May 25, 2007, 08:25:35 PM
directly behind me was Mark on our (EC Distributing ) mower. It has the 8000 rpm 12hp motor. He stayed with the twins all day long. That motor is bad!!!!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: mightymowe on May 26, 2007, 07:45:23 AM
If Mark is running with the BP's would he be running an OHV? Is that a 28 or 31 cid ? If that is an OHV i'm thinking it would be a killer C/P engine.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on May 27, 2007, 10:14:05 AM
Actually it is our EC built 12hp flatty bored to a 31 c.i. and everything in it is experimental. It turned a minimum of 7100 and max of 8400 rpm's all day. He was the only sportsman/SP there that day so he ran with the twins. In the 20 lap feature he spun out 3 times doing a copmplete 360 and go never bringin out a yellow and we only put a half track on him at the end of 20 laps. He can DRIVE, and that motor is stupid fast for a flat head.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: mightymowe on May 27, 2007, 07:34:21 PM
Thats pretty interesting,they going to sell these engines?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on May 27, 2007, 07:44:46 PM
Yup we will sell them but a race motor of that quality is not cheap. I havn't even sit down to figure out the time we have in it. I can tell you the carb alone is 1000.00. It has a throttle shutter bore of 1.250 which is far from stock. And yes it started life as a stock 56 lmt Walbro.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: tractorman on May 28, 2007, 05:40:55 AM
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I can tell you the carb alone is 1000.00. It has a throttle shutter bore of 1.250 which is far from stock. And yes it started life as a stock 56 lmt Walbro.

OH MY GOSH!!!  :omg:  :omg: :omg: I cant even afford that, I dont think anybody can!!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on May 28, 2007, 05:59:41 AM
It comes to a point when real HP costs BIG DOLLARS. Thats not for everyone. Not for most for that matter. BUT there are some that want HP no matter the cost. Parts like that carb is what they want because no one else is willing to spend that kinda money. Thats why we have different levels of build to suite the majority out there. AT E.C. Ditributing our specialty is carbs, and engines aren't far behind. And on our equipment that we race and R&D with we do all kinds of experiments to learn what is good and what isn't which helps promote our products.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: tractorman on May 29, 2007, 10:51:57 AM
O why you are hear George I have a quuestion. What are the biggest valves I can put in my 12 i/c motor?

Thanks
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Squidd on May 29, 2007, 12:31:43 PM
Depends... what can you afford...??  :badgrin:
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on May 29, 2007, 12:38:49 PM
While Squidd is correct I do not feel that a larger valve is needed if the block is prepped correctly.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: redline on June 03, 2007, 06:45:39 PM
George, are the running boards in the factory mount locations? If so, then the 1" tube welded on the seat frame takes up the gap, and the fenders are actually mounted at factory height also?  The fender to tire gap is actually produced by relocating (raising) your rear axle (lowering entire chassis)?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on June 04, 2007, 05:20:09 AM
Yes running boards are in the factory location, and the bottom front of fenders are in the factory locations. Yet the fender with seat area is raised by the 1 inch tubing it sits on. And yes the axle is raised up into the frame to lower the complete chassis.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: redline on June 04, 2007, 09:01:25 AM
Ok that clears it up, Thanks George. 

Ed
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Shrek on June 24, 2007, 09:57:01 PM
DO you recommend the adjustable cassetes?


(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_cutforaxlemounting.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/cutforaxlemounting.jpg)

Here you can see where I have finally come back and cut the whole and slot for the rear axle. Doing it this way allows me to unbolt the cassettes and simply drop the whole axle out the bottom.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_howitlooksintheframe.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/howitlooksintheframe.jpg)


This is a view from inside to show how I cut right thru the frame rail I installed for stiffnes. Now that I have my cut out I will go ahead and weld each side to the edge.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_rearplatewelding.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/rearplatewelding.jpg)


This photo shows how I weld the rear plate in. Idea is to make this thing one solid frame assembly.

Do you recommend the adjustable  axle cassettes where did you get the Slides for the cassettes at?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on June 24, 2007, 10:24:30 PM
Its more costly but I like having the adjustability in case I twist the frame.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Shrek on June 24, 2007, 10:26:15 PM
Is your pedal bar solid 5/8 OD and also where do you get that clucth plate at and how much does it cost?


(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_clutchpedalmounted.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/clutchpedalmounted.jpg)

Ok here is my clutch pedal. I drilled 5/8 holes thru the side of the running board and ran the pedal thru the running board thru the frame. I used a 5/8 i.d Bushing and with it slid on the pedal welded it to the bottom of the running board. This will support it and keep alot of the rattle previous mowers have had due to the sides of the running boards wallering out allowing the pedal to bounce.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_brakepedalmounted.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/brakepedalmounted.jpg)

Here is the brake pedal, I used an arm from an extra steering kit I had for the limkage mount. I slotted the running board so it sticks up thru it on the top side. Notice I don't have the center mount on this pedal. It doesnt recieve all the vibration the clutch pedal gets from the belt. So it isn't needed.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_bothpedalsmounted.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/bothpedalsmounted.jpg)

Here is both pedals mounted as you can see I got ahead of myself in work again instead of picture taking. I will get to everything you see here in up coming pictures.

Where did you get the slides at for the cassettes?

Its more costly but I like having the adjustability in case I twist the frame.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Shrek on June 24, 2007, 10:57:22 PM
Did you The same Aluminmum rod as you did on the clutch for the steering and did you you RH LH threads on all three rods.  Thanks George





(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_draglinkstop.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/draglinkstop.jpg)

Here you can see how I gauge where to cut the sfaht off at. I leave it long enough it serves as a stop at full right turn. I don't have a stop for left turn I have never went over and The tire hits the grill before it does so it serves as a stop. I don't use that much left turn. Now the right in counter steering yea I sometimes hit full lock.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_overalllook.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/overalllook.jpg)

here is an overall view of my steering set up with the E.C. Axle. I have been using this setup for going on 5 years now. I love it 1/4 maybe a tad more is all you will ever turn the wheel in a race.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_fartherbacklook.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/fartherbacklook.jpg)

here is a better overall view of the steering and front end with tires on it.

Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on June 25, 2007, 05:07:18 AM
We sell the clutch assembly at E.C. 129.00 And all rods use r/h and l/h rod ends and all are made with the same aluminum material.


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Where did you get the slides at for the cassettes?

Not sure what you mean by slides but everything is E.C. we sell it all.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Shrek on June 25, 2007, 08:50:42 PM
That adjustment in the first picture.
DO you recommend the adjustable cassetes?


Do you recommend the adjustable  axle cassettes where did you get the Slides for the cassettes at?

Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on June 26, 2007, 05:39:50 AM
All depends on your pocket and what is in them or how much. Do I recomend them. Yes comes in handy if you twist the frame or are off a little when you are done building. And everything is sold at EC. And I still do not know what you mean by slides. I presume the weldments if so we sell them.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: nic_hayes on September 03, 2007, 07:17:00 PM
hey george, great build, what size front tires do you guys run, it looks like almost everyone has the same ones, thanks
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on September 03, 2007, 07:28:47 PM
13x6.5x6 on a 6x7.25 rim.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: nor66 on October 09, 2007, 06:46:13 PM
George I am starting a new build, and was wondering if you still put 10 degrees on the front axle kingpins or do you use the 10 degree angle thats on the front of the frame? :confused:
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on October 09, 2007, 06:51:50 PM
The 10* that's on the frame if you are referring to a MTD chassis.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: nor66 on October 09, 2007, 08:15:52 PM
OH yea forgot to mention that it was a MTD frame, anyway you are saying to use the angle on the frame and not to put 10* on the axle itself,Right?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on October 09, 2007, 08:21:05 PM
Right!!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: nor66 on October 09, 2007, 08:22:06 PM
That was quick!!! thanks for the info!!!!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: motornut on November 05, 2007, 09:46:33 PM
where did you get the clutch set up for your belt system? i have seen what looks to be the exact same in other pics on the site but don't know of anyone who sell it
thanks ryan
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 05, 2007, 09:49:11 PM
E. C. Distributing. give me a call number is in my signature...
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: greenmachine on November 05, 2007, 09:53:07 PM
E. C. Distributing. give me a call number is in my signature...

That clutch is a really nice well built piece too :twothumbsup:
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: birdman_express on December 15, 2007, 07:06:08 PM
Ok George, you have been running this chassis style for a few years, and had good success with this one this past year. Have you come up with any new tweaks for this, or does the basic build design still fit to a "T". You also said after the build, that is was your best build so far. Has it turned out to be your best racer as well?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on December 15, 2007, 11:33:38 PM
I am aboslutely 100% happy with it. I have ideas for changes, but I always do. I am always looking to make it better. BUT I am happy with it enough I am not building a new one for 08... Just strip and repaint maybe!!!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: markiemark on January 20, 2008, 11:22:23 AM
Hi george
im building a mtd and going to try to run the push button start with the factory key and a digiatron tech and was wondering if u have any  digrams of your wiring or could explain it thank you.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: hillbilly1 on January 20, 2008, 11:28:34 AM
Heres the basic wiring layout.

http://www.heymow.com/index.php?topic=623.0
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on January 20, 2008, 12:52:00 PM
WELL this is the diagram with the eception of my brake light circuit. I use both a key switch and starter button. Two reasons. Main one is is I am doing a show where kids want pictures I can remove the key which kills power to the start circuit completly. Now kids can climb aboard and take pictures and have a good safe time. ALSO it gives me an alternate means of shutting it off and starting it.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: markiemark on January 20, 2008, 06:43:39 PM
Thank you so much YOu have no idea how much you have helped me build this mower. At 18 its a lil difficult and dont have the money to do all the experments and you have saved me a ton of money by all the info that is on here. Cant wait to see you at one of the ARMA events.

So there is no noid on this u just use the key ur is the noid built into the key switch?
Also is the lil swiggle line a inline Fuse??
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: nor66 on January 20, 2008, 07:31:23 PM
I am not George but I am sure that is a fuse in line, if not there needs to be!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on January 20, 2008, 08:17:18 PM
I assume noid means solenoid. Yes I use a solinoid but its part of the starter which is the denso high torque starter. As for the wiggly line that is a 20amp fuse. You always run an inline fuse. And always put the fuse as close to the battery connection as possible to protect the entire circuit.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on January 29, 2008, 10:54:26 PM
Racers I post this stuff for all to see to share my knowledge free of charge to help you the racers. That being the case you may use info and share info from these posts freely. BUT I will not permit anyone copying this info then turning around and selling it for profit. I don't even mind you using it in build clinics. BUT give the information freely as I have done here. I hope everyone understands my position on this matter. If you know anyone selling this info please let me know.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: markiemark on February 03, 2008, 10:51:37 AM
do happen to have any pics of your shifter? Im trying to fig out the best way to make my shifter so i can get this thing ready to test and tune.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: tractorracer12 on February 06, 2008, 06:07:06 PM
When you used steel tranny pulleys how did you keep the pully from falling off. I have tried set screws but they dont stay tight enough. Im using a weld on pully from TSC and the hub is too big to use a snap ring. Thanks
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on February 06, 2008, 06:13:59 PM
snap ring is all I have ever used.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: johnboy on February 06, 2008, 06:26:45 PM
I am not George but the clutch setup was designed and is sold at E.C.. Thats some more of Georges craftsmanship and design. Looks and works SUPER.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: markiemark on February 15, 2008, 09:01:03 PM
Hey george im building my mtd and just got my ec front axle in and my 13x6.5x6 tires on 6x7.25 rims and i notice when at full turn in either direction the tire comes awful close to hitting the the front of the running boards have you had this problem or is it not a problem?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on February 15, 2008, 09:27:22 PM
Not a problem. Mine hit the sides of the front grill but doesn't bother nothing. You don't use as much steering as you think you will.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: markiemark on March 03, 2008, 03:23:04 PM
Hey george im having problems getting my steering to work. I tryed to mount my arm on my steering shaft level to the bottom of the frame like u did but when i did that the rod was at to much of an angel. and keep binding so i had to lower it about 2 inches below the frame line not to happy i had to to that because its so close to the ground. what do u think could cause the binding im running the ec front axle and everything the same as your build shows and just trying to fig out where i went wrong.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on March 03, 2008, 03:54:50 PM
Go back where you had it add a couple shims under the rod end you can also twist the arm to eleviate some of the binding. You can't do it 2 inches below the frame will hit every thing.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: markiemark on March 03, 2008, 04:03:45 PM
Ok Im Order A New Steering Rod An Start Fresh Instead Of Keep Cuttin An Welding. I Try Make It Perfect What All Did U Do Just Tap An Bolt It
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: ktownmadness on April 13, 2009, 08:55:35 PM
sorry
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: LittleMow on April 28, 2009, 09:18:47 AM
George: question for ya, with the front axle beam mounted flush with the mtd frame and running a 13/6.5x6 front tire are your frames still 4" to bottom of frame rail? This is what i'm running, and i tacked my " homemade frt end" last night. Basicly a close design of the basic acme axle. and i'm right at 4" with jst rolling chassis, less motor and all. Not knowing how low it will go with a bigger engine down the road. Of course common sense would say to just lower the axle to gain height, but trying to stay right at 4- 4.5"...Oh by the way, 1st build for Imow class. thanks
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on April 28, 2009, 10:59:39 AM
yup 4"
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Back-n-Black on June 17, 2009, 01:29:58 PM
George thanks for all the time and effort you put into this build thread! You are a class act and people are hard pressed to find this much info on any topic on the net. Thanks again. I now have mowtivation for my build.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: kyoat on December 23, 2009, 02:55:39 AM
yup 4"

Just wondering if you have made a CD of this build, if so...How would one go about getting one??
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on December 23, 2009, 05:22:33 AM
PM me.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: nic_hayes on February 21, 2010, 11:37:36 AM
WOW
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Mike Gentry on February 21, 2010, 12:21:19 PM
OUCH !!!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on February 21, 2010, 01:39:29 PM
Well it is stripped completely. Now time to start a new. Will get pictures later forgot cameras at the shop.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: amr5080 on February 21, 2010, 01:44:33 PM
Gonna try anything radical with this one? or just a basic build?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Rooster on February 21, 2010, 02:32:35 PM
Dangit I feel awful about that George! Been going to call ya and see if you had checked it out yet. I usualy like to fix what I tear up, so if there is anything I can do to help let me know.  :noplease:
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on February 21, 2010, 03:06:34 PM
Rooster thats racing...Don't get me wrong, I ain't made of money BUt if I was worrried about it I would not have let you drive it. Everything is re-usable except the front axle beam and front rims and a spindle and a brake disk. I got an extra brake disk and an extra oil pan. Just a matter of building a chassis and transferring everything over. I think the only thing I will have to actually buy is two front wheels . No biggie. Just lots a work ahead. I won't take in any work till my stuff is ready. Trying to finish a couple motors so I can get started.
Gonna try anything radical with this one? or just a basic build?

 I always do something different. Thats what we call innovation. LOL
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Samo on May 23, 2010, 07:53:52 PM
Just wanted to say Thanks!

I finished my first build for our Stock Class, and I built a MTD chassis like this one, built most of it just like this one, with a few changes, and it works great!  I got 3rd in the heat, 1st in the feature, and 1st in another exhibition race the first race out!  This build was extremely helpful, and my first build would not have turned out this well without it.   Thanks again George!

-#95 Samo
Ithaca Dirt Devils
www.ithacadirtdevils.com
Check it out here    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=3840550&l=3f4ae497f6&id=708394997
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: schosports on June 22, 2010, 12:52:34 PM
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/th_cutfrontlipoffflushwithframe.jpg) (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/GeorgeHerrin/cutfrontlipoffflushwithframe.jpg)
This is the very front of the sub frame. You cut the lower lip off square with the rest of the chassis. This is a legal cut in US.

George is this a legal ARMA SuperStock cut?

ps. I just ordered my EC 26 AXLE BEAM and 700 trans plate for my build :)
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on June 22, 2010, 12:55:34 PM
Yes its legal, be sure you ordered a standard with beam...
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: schosports on June 22, 2010, 01:20:31 PM
Yes its legal, be sure you ordered a standard with beam...
Thank you.
I ordered:
1 x 26 AXLE BEAM (4068)  = $100.00

It didn't specify size, am I ok? My order number is #461
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on June 22, 2010, 03:13:14 PM
I will fix it.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Honey Badger on September 14, 2010, 02:28:29 PM
nope 3/4 thin wall. Once welded in stiffens quite nicely and very rigid. And don't add alot of weight either.


My local supplier sells this 3/4 tubing in sizes:      16 guage,  14 guage, and 11 guage.  which size did you use on this?  thanks.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: LittleMow on September 15, 2010, 10:52:08 AM
George- I dont want to beat a dead horse but, in the pics of your belt guides and pulley setup, Do you have trouble with the belt rubbing the clutch pedal bolt for the clutch pedal "arm" ? Mine seems to rub that area, mainly when the clutch is depressed and the belt has slack. Seems to be causing a problem the last couple races with the back side of the belt getting cut in that area. I guess i will try to come up with a different clutch rod design to gain more clearence for the belt.....
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on September 15, 2010, 11:13:52 AM
George- I dont want to beat a dead horse but, in the pics of your belt guides and pulley setup, Do you have trouble with the belt rubbing the clutch pedal bolt for the clutch pedal "arm" ? Mine seems to rub that area, mainly when the clutch is depressed and the belt has slack. Seems to be causing a problem the last couple races with the back side of the belt getting cut in that area. I guess i will try to come up with a different clutch rod design to gain more clearence for the belt.....

No thats never been an issue with mine
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: snopro9584 on November 20, 2010, 11:45:46 PM
Did you ever change your bias adjuster to the dash on this George? I am currently building a BP and putting front brakes on and have been looking at the easiest way to bias the braking. I dont know if I should find a bigger master and a brake bias on the dash or to run 2 masters and just use a clevis system like you did. My problem is that I only know enough to get myself in trouble with this issue. Thanks for posting your builds as it helps all of us.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 21, 2010, 01:28:19 AM
I used the clevis setup you see but I modified it and have an adjustment on the dash. I can dail rear brake in or out to get the feel I want.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: amr5080 on March 02, 2011, 07:27:46 PM
Is running the brake line for the front brakes through the automotive brake tubing something that you have continued to do? or did you find a better way?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: jerb on March 02, 2011, 08:47:29 PM
them pre made braided lines are the ticket, although much more expensive, i have used the steel auto lines like George did, i never have trusted the nylon stuff, but that is just my opinion!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: amr5080 on March 03, 2011, 05:07:50 AM
I have been debating the braided lines, but my rebuild went WAYYY over budget this year, and the wife isn't happy as it is.  :lol:  We may see if I can sneak one by her.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on March 03, 2011, 05:37:04 AM
I have not done it since. I use braided on it now!!! A cheaper way would be run the solid line then a short braided line from frame to brake.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: saltyAMF on November 28, 2011, 09:52:45 PM
Your new measurement should be 28-1/4 from front of frame to cassette holder and 2 3/4 inch from the top of panel to top of cassette and you will be in the same loctaion as I am with old style cassettes.

george do these measurements hold true with the current weldments for the adj cassettes ec is offering?  thanks for the input
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on November 28, 2011, 09:56:38 PM
if not its close. depends on which weldments used. Do not know if applies to steel plates.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Andrew Horniman on September 27, 2012, 12:01:35 PM
I have a question dealing with where the motor is located.  The area where you grind off or cut.  Is it that lip that turns downward.  Do you grind or cut that hole lip off.  I couldn't tell in picture or I just didn't understand.


I would have copied the picture but I couldn't because i am on a government computer and it will not let me see pictures that are posted.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on September 27, 2012, 12:06:09 PM
CUT OFF THE WHOLE LIP
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Andrew Horniman on September 27, 2012, 12:18:01 PM
Roger, thank you.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Andrew Horniman on September 30, 2012, 04:27:48 PM
I got the mower completely dis assembled yesterday and started doing the grinding and noticed that the lip is under the motor looks completely different than the one you built.  Mine actually looks like a 6" pulley could fit through.  Should i even worry about cutting that lip off.  Also, since this is my first build would it even matter if I use 1" square tubing, since i am not worried about weight for my first mower.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Tom Price on October 05, 2012, 03:16:52 PM
Anything that is hanging under the frame or not needed needs to be cut off.  Don't want anything there that the belt could POSSIBLY get cut on
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Running on Empty on October 05, 2012, 04:40:39 PM
I got the mower completely dis assembled yesterday and started doing the grinding and noticed that the lip is under the motor looks completely different than the one you built.  Mine actually looks like a 6" pulley could fit through.  Should i even worry about cutting that lip off.  Also, since this is my first build would it even matter if I use 1" square tubing, since i am not worried about weight for my first mower.

If you build the frame light and right, it will be a whole lot easier to sell if you decide to build a new one or move to a new class.  Use what is race proven!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Honey Badger on October 26, 2012, 01:47:19 PM
If you build the frame light and right, it will be a whole lot easier to sell if you decide to build a new one or move to a new class.  Use what is race proven!
This is the first and best chassis I have built so far.  with the exception of the battery mounting location, it was built exactly to his design.  What an excellent and light chassis.  Also, it seems to be predictable for the way it handles throughout its life span.  Mine has gone through so many abusive races over the last 2 years, and it still performs well. It would be like the buick 3800 of lawnmower chasis....
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Andrew Horniman on October 26, 2012, 06:11:57 PM
Now that i understand on the buick 3800.  I have already scouted out a MTD with the V-Twin.  The guy is wanting $125.  Just need to get the bosses approval.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Mowervater13 on March 06, 2013, 10:41:46 PM
Hey George I am building an MTD for the SP class following your build. This is my first time building a racing mower. My mower came with the two small rear fenders that get bolted on each side. I personally don't like the look of them. If I found a set or MTD rear fenders that are one piece will they bolt right up to my frame or are they completely different.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on March 07, 2013, 05:29:01 AM
should bolt right up. Get the fender mounts also
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: HBmotorsports on August 03, 2013, 02:12:03 PM
Where do you get the tie rod for the steering from the shaft to the front end?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: trbinrat on August 03, 2013, 03:37:04 PM
http://www.heymow.com/index.php?topic=3258.0

Right hear!  Very easy to do
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: BsMowinFun on October 06, 2013, 04:37:21 AM
George, This is so much what i needed to help me. I have the same exact MTD as this one and i pulley swapped it. Installed a foot throttle, removed the governor, and painted it. Looks good goes fast but its not safe and now i want to get into racing. I live in the heart of cleveland ohio and racing is a distance from my house or so i would think. Having this as a guide to doing thing the right way is what i needed. For you to take the time to do this just for your internet buds is an awesome thing. I am new so i am sure i will have questions for you. One thing is your tires? I thought the tires needed to be smaller in the rear for more speed? Maybe there is a thread on that? But thanks so so so much.
                                                                                    Fellow racer,
                                                                                         Brian!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on October 06, 2013, 04:41:56 AM
Brian the tire size used is dictacted by the rules. US requires 8" while ARMA does not they use 6 to 8" Gearing is what gives you the speed.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: BsMowinFun on October 06, 2013, 07:15:14 AM
Oh i see. So the new tires i purchased (Factory size) i can use just need new rims to bolt to the hubs right?
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on October 06, 2013, 07:23:57 AM
First decide on rules package your gonna build too then read em over n over. Or just cory my build to the letter and it can race anywhere in the country or be a cool cool toy either way!!!
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: BsMowinFun on October 06, 2013, 07:40:05 AM
Got it. I am building mine to the tee the way you did. Step by step writing it all down now to take to the garage with me ;) Thanks George.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: damon.mosley57 on February 09, 2016, 10:30:08 PM
I printed out your 07 super sportsman build and I'm going to use it as my guide to build my first. My question is, if you were to do it again today would you change anything and if so, what? Someone suggested 1 in tubing to stiffen frame. I haven't looked into what problems that may cause. I got my mtd torn down. I ordered some parts from EC and bought 3/4in 16ga tubing. Ready to get started as soon as I get my hands on the rear bearing weldments.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: George Herrin on February 10, 2016, 05:04:21 AM
I would not change a thing.
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Natedawg18099 on October 24, 2018, 07:59:48 PM
So where do you get the aluminum tubing for the rods? I find 1/2 inch but its not thick enough to thread
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: PJG56 on October 24, 2018, 08:10:21 PM
Mcmaster carr,their tubing has a hole in it just right for tapping 3/8x24 threads
Title: Re: George's NEW BUILD for 07
Post by: Natedawg18099 on October 24, 2018, 09:53:07 PM
Thank you! I will check it out