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Title: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on November 13, 2009, 05:17:50 PM
well after finally going out to the bone pile and dragging a step through chassis out of the weeds, i now have a chassis to start working on, this will be a pretty slow build as time and money allows, although i hope to have it finished sometime around april or may, it will be powered by a horizontal van-guard twin, with a jackshaft and either a foot clutch or a cent clutch, havent decided on that yet, will have 6x7.25 rims up front and 8x8 rims on the rear and mower tires for now, this is what it looks like now...hope to get it tore down sunday afternoon and start  building the front axle and reinforcing the under side of the chassis...all for now, any ideas as i go along will be greatly appreciated...
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_allamericanmowertrip.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=allamericanmowertrip.jpg)
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Old Goat on November 13, 2009, 05:48:19 PM
Looks like a good one to use! Dang it!  :doh: Why can't I ever find a good hood like that without all the louvers in it, or a nice set of rear fenders like that!  :D
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: George Herrin on November 13, 2009, 06:12:35 PM
All ya gotta do it ask.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on November 14, 2009, 02:51:45 PM
well, took some time today to get the chassis stripped down to the bare bones, hopefully tomorrow i get out to the shop and start cutting, welding and cussing.... :lol: gonna try and get front axle built as well as the rear axle bearing mounts welded in and get the chassis stiffened up with some light gauge 1'' square tubing......the fun begins!!!!
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_supermodtwinbuild002.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=supermodtwinbuild002.jpg)
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: fordman21 on November 15, 2009, 06:37:32 PM
The only advice I could give at this point is.......do your homework and have a well thought out plan before you start welding in a lot of material. I might be able to help you out with some guidelines for crankshaft centerlines, engine offset and things like that when your ready.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Cromwell C4 on November 15, 2009, 10:42:29 PM
The only advice I could give at this point is.......do your homework and have a well thought out plan before you start welding in a lot of material. I might be able to help you out with some guidelines for crankshaft centerlines, engine offset and things like that when your ready.

Well said Ryan. Do LOTS of homework, and take your time. Also, put your money in the chassis first and get it top notch. Don't worry about a big motor. Those Canadian guys took home 3rd and 4th in Outlaw twin at the All American with STOCK motors  :lol:
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on November 15, 2009, 11:33:07 PM
well said guys.... the ideas are buzzing in my head, this will be thought out, ordering a seat tomorrow, and kinda take it from there, wanted to work on the chassis today, but other, more important things got in the way, im sure you guys gonna get your share of pm's...... :lol:
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on November 26, 2009, 12:49:31 AM
well guys, been getting plenty done, and have plenty of pics, but.......my computer had a virus about a week ago, got that fixed, but lost the software for my camera, its a hewlett packard hp 315, yea i know ancient, but it was free..anybody know a site to get the drivers downloaded, everything ive found requires the cd that came with the camera, which i dont have, if i did have it, would be a piece of cake....any ideas, besides buying a new camera? thats an axle and a set of hubs... :lol:
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: chuckm on November 26, 2009, 05:11:33 AM
Jerb, you can go to HP.com and download what you need.
chuckm
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: johndoe on November 26, 2009, 07:21:47 AM
on these frames can you extend them any or just off set them to the right  :confused:
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: George Herrin on November 26, 2009, 08:28:06 AM
The rules say .....
CHASSIS: Frames and parts, must retain original manufacturers (OEM) specifications (no chopping) re: wheel base, length and width. Material (steel round or square) may be added for structural strength. It is recommended that front axles be bolted or welded rigid eliminating the stock pivoting.

Off set is specific in it says from center of frame to outside left tire 19" center of frame to outside of right tire 23" Thats sidewall by the way
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on November 26, 2009, 05:12:36 PM
well finally got some pics downloaded off my computer, tell me what ya think!
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_mowerbuild2009001.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=mowerbuild2009001.jpg)
back section of frame cut-off even with the rest of the frame...
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_mowerbuild2009004.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=mowerbuild2009004.jpg)
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_mowerbuild2009005.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=mowerbuild2009005.jpg)
these two pics are how i reinforced the stock chassis, i used light gauge 1'' square tubing...
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_mowerbuild2009007.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=mowerbuild2009007.jpg)
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_mowerbuild2009008.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=mowerbuild2009008.jpg)
these two pictures are the seat mounted, i did change the back mounts the next day after a few mods were done around the seat...
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_mowerbuild2009009.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=mowerbuild2009009.jpg)
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_mowerbuild2009011.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=mowerbuild2009011.jpg)
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_mowerbuild2009010.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=mowerbuild2009010.jpg)
the above three pics show how i used light gauge material to box the seat in to make it sorta look like it came that way. it also adds strength behind the seat where the axle bearing mounts will be installed, the seat is as far back as i could get it and still retain the original wheelbase...
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_mowerbuild2009013.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=mowerbuild2009013.jpg)
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_mowerbuild2009014.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=mowerbuild2009014.jpg)
these two pics show that i deed indeed leave the stock back half of the frame intact..
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_mowerbuild2009012.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=mowerbuild2009012.jpg)
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_mowerbuild2009015.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=mowerbuild2009015.jpg)
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_mowerbuild2009016.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=mowerbuild2009016.jpg)
i built the front axle after carefully measuring the wheels and tires, the 4'' offset, and its built for 1.75" frame height with 13'' diameter front tires, this took some time, and i would easily just order an axle next time, the angles took some time to figure, its built of heavy gauge 1 1/2'' square tubing,but the end result turned out to my liking...next up is building the spindles and getting the rear axle installed, and start figuring out the fenders, planning on using mtd fenders,the 2 piece style, we will see
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: George Herrin on November 26, 2009, 05:34:35 PM
Very impressive so far.... Very clean fabrication. Looking good.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on November 26, 2009, 05:44:29 PM
Thank You George, i must admit these are quite different than the conventional chassis, they keep ya thinking, but so far so good and having fun building it....
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: George Herrin on November 26, 2009, 06:12:15 PM
Be sure to run a third bearing. AND a .250 thick axle. When you get traction things move allot more than you will ever imagine. I know trust me. ALSO I would build your ride height a tad high with mower tires. You will want to go with Kart tires up front and either Hoosiers (same as Turf Pros ) in rear or maybe a set of American racers in rear. Box the rear in with tubing as much now while open hard to go back after its built.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: fordman21 on November 26, 2009, 06:43:55 PM
George is right, you want a third bearing out there and a .250" axle. I was just looking at a 4130 1 1/4' jackshaft that I had in my machine this summer and noticed that it is twisted about 3/8" from one end to the other and it is only 16" long, it almost scares me to think how far I would have had to of twisted it to get it to stay that far. If your using a jackshaft with a horizontal engine don't be afraid to use four bearings on there too.
The tube you have in there up high under your tunnel behind your seat you might want to hold off on until you get your axle mounted if your using the big tire, it might be in the way of the bearing cassettes. I think my axle was mounted up there pretty good, about as high as you could go. With the top plated in I don't think you will need that tube.
I'm a little worried that the seat is so low that you won't be able to get the chain back to the rear axle, the chain usually rides a bit under the seat at the front.
Your doing a fantastic job Jerb, keep up the good work.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Old school racer on November 26, 2009, 06:57:41 PM
Looks really good ....keep it up.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on November 26, 2009, 07:03:11 PM
thanks guys, yes im definately gonna run a 3rd bearing, just waiting on axle to figure where to place it exactly, with me being a small guy, and a smaller seat, i believe i have room for the brake on the left side, which leaves me some more room on the right side for sprocket, just have to see, still kinda up in the air over a vertical with a ragb or a horizontal with a jackshaft, guess it depends on what i can find locally, i was reading Ryan that you were considering a 30'' twin, i have found a few of those, they pretty common around here, or more common anyways, whats your opinion on them?? again thanks guys!
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Cromwell C4 on November 27, 2009, 11:46:48 AM
Looks great so far. Keep up the good work! Like George said, make sure it's high enough off the ground in front that if you change to kart tires you won't be too low. Once you race mower tires on these chassis you'll want to change, trust me. And def set it up to run hoosiers or american racers on the rear. You have to add a ton of weight to get lawnmower tires to hook up the way a racing tire would.

And you can make the 30ci vanguards build plenty of power.  8) I'm running a small ci vanguard on mine, and i've got more power than i really need. I'm not even going to put my big engine on it. It would be even harder than it already is to put to the power to the ground. But good work so far ;)
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Old Goat on November 27, 2009, 02:42:37 PM
Lookin' good, Tim! I'm looking at all the supermods I can, cause I'm thinking about building one, too. Are you going to leave the motor offset, like it was originally? I built one of those frames a couple of years ago and I just flattened the frame where it's raised up beside the motor, with a 3 lb. hammer, and then welded some re-enforcement underneath the frame where the motor mounting bolts go. Then I centered the motor on the frame. It worked out pretty good and it's still running that way. I hope you didn't mess up and have to relocate your seat. You get three lashes with a wet noodle for mounting the seat before the rear axle :woo: :D
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: swmoracer on November 27, 2009, 03:18:21 PM
But you have to be able to sit in it and make motor sounds with your mouth!!!!That is what keeps you building on it when you get mad cause your wrench slipped and busted your nuckle.
And by the way Tim it looks awsome!!!I wish I had the cash to build a twin!!!!
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Rooster on November 27, 2009, 05:04:22 PM
Lookin' good, Tim! I'm looking at all the supermods I can, cause I'm thinking about building one, too. Are you going to leave the motor offset, like it was originally? I built one of those frames a couple of years ago and I just flattened the frame where it's raised up beside the motor, with a 3 lb. hammer, and then welded some re-enforcement underneath the frame where the motor mounting bolts go. Then I centered the motor on the frame. It worked out pretty good and it's still running that way. I hope you didn't mess up and have to relocate your seat. You get three lashes with a wet noodle for mounting the seat before the rear axle :woo: :D

As for leveling the engine mount, on one of Larrys he put a strip of 10 GA under one side, and on top of the other..saves the beating and gives you reinforcement.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on November 27, 2009, 06:28:23 PM
well had a minor mess up with the front axle, i used 4" end plates, and somehow managed to weld them on at about 15 degree angle, so i cut them off today and redid the axle, used 5'' this time for more adjustability when using different tires, so now with a 13'' tall tire my frame sits at 2'' off the floor with a 3/4'' adjustability up or down, gets some more pics tomorrow, as for the engine mount, if i use a verticle engine, yes i plan on centering the engine and as for the seat old goat....i did plenty of measuring before i mounted it, so of course it will probably be wrong... :lol:
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: fordman21 on November 27, 2009, 10:11:15 PM
There isn't enough room for an mcp caliper on the left side with that frame, The sidewall of the American racer or Hoosier tire will rub on the caliper bolts even if they are ground down. Everything I'm building now has the caliper mounted on the right side. You want no less than one inch clearance from anything and the side wall of the tires.
The little vanguard I had was small but not exactly junk, you'll have to try a bit harder with less cubic inches but its not impossible. It had enough hp and traction to twist three 1 1/4" 4130 jackshafts that were only 16" long with four bearings.
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r190/fordman21_photos/th_ryanscamerapics826.jpg) (http://s144.photobucket.com/albums/r190/fordman21_photos/?action=view&current=ryanscamerapics826.jpg)
The twist doesn't look as bad in the picture.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on November 27, 2009, 11:13:10 PM
wow...thats some horsepower doing that Ryan.... :wow:
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Cromwell C4 on November 28, 2009, 12:05:30 AM
Good job Ryan.  :D  Always abusing parts  :lol: But that really does take some serious power and traction to twist like that. Wow.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: George Herrin on November 28, 2009, 07:41:09 AM
Jerb they make several different size rear tires as you can see. The bigger 8.5 wide tire, that will not allow you room for brake on left side however you have several other choices available. For example the pt# 42500 which was my choice is the same basic overall measure of the turf pros on a 8x8 wheel, this way you can use the turf pro for mock up. Need more room they have a 7" wide also. I wouldn't use the 6" wide but its there. The 7" wide and the 8" wide can both be mounted on the 8x8 wheels we use already. If you have any questions Call Neil Cowman at Hoosier Direct (574) 784-3152 from 7:30 AM to 4:30 PM eastern time tell him I sent you and he will give you any info you need. He has been the most open and helpful of any I have spoke with on these tires.
 
Item/Number Tire Size/Tread Pattern/ Tread Width / Approx.Dia/  Approx. Circ / Recom.Rim / Measured Rim / Section Width / Compounds
42400         15.0/6.0-8       aa                6.0"             15.0"           49.0"            6"              6"                 7.4"               D12, RD20   
42450         15.0/7.0-8        Q                7.0"             15.0"           49.0"            6"              6"                 7.5"               D12, RD20   
42500         15.0/8.0-8        Q                8.0"             15.0"           49.5"            7"              7"                 8.5"               D12, RD20   
42550         16.0/8.5-8        Q                8.5"             16.0"           53.5"            9"              9"                 10.5"             D12, RD20
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: fordman21 on November 28, 2009, 08:29:01 AM
Outlaw/Supermod = Go big or go home :D     The guy who gets the most traction wins with these machines.
As far as the jackshaft goes, I can't believe the little 1" cast iron crankshaft doesn't break. I'm going to have a crank support on my latest set up and increase the primary drive ratio close to 5:1.
If you go with a jackshaft remember that they take much more abuse than the rear axle due to the primary and secondary ratios.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: George Herrin on November 28, 2009, 08:40:16 AM
MAybe so but at what price or cost of broken parts. I still don't get paid to race or win, which means it still comes out of my pocket, thus I want fast and reliable, Reckon I don't have enough HP cause my 3/4 jaft is doing fine so far. Which is OK by me, To finish first first you must finish.......... Couldn't resist that one.... besides my auto traction control still working to my advantage
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: fordman21 on November 28, 2009, 02:14:32 PM

 My intentions were to save some of these guys the trouble of making the same mistakes that I already have in the past......... save them time and money.
 
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: George Herrin on November 29, 2009, 02:20:17 AM
My intentions were to save some of these guys the trouble of making the same mistakes that I already have in the past......... save them time and money.
 

That is what its all about.... Doing it right and for as little dollar as possible. We all try to help each other accomplish that.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on November 29, 2009, 07:45:59 PM
went out to the shop and got the spindles built, i used hubs you can get at most farm stores for the spindle barrels with an 1 1/8'' inside diameter!
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_mowerbuild2009001-1.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=mowerbuild2009001-1.jpg)
i cut a short piece of 1 1/8'' shaft to take up the space between the top and bottom bearings, the holes drilled in to the hub are there so i can weld the shaft inside the hub..
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_mowerbuild2009002-1.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=mowerbuild2009002-1.jpg)
here the inner shaft is welded into the hub and then i drill out the inner shaft for the bolt to pass through..
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_mowerbuild2009003-1.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=mowerbuild2009003-1.jpg)
now with the inner piece welded in the bearings sit flush inside the hub, these are 1 1/8'' by 1/2'' sealed bearings..

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_mowerbuild2009004-1.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=mowerbuild2009004-1.jpg)
then i drill a 5/8'' hole into the side of the hub at a 10 degree angle for the grade 8 bolt to be welded too, the spindle bolt goes as far into hub as it will, then it is welded in, if you are unsure about your own welding ability, it would be best to have somebody do it for you, as this weld is very important...now do the same for another one and that is that..
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_mowerbuild2009006-1.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=mowerbuild2009006-1.jpg)
finished spindles with plenty of up and down adjustment for different tire heights..
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: flyinBranch on November 29, 2009, 08:21:12 PM
looks like a good mowchine so far
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: birdman_express on November 29, 2009, 11:43:19 PM
if you are unsure about your own welding ability, it would be best to have somebody do it for you, as this weld is very important...

That is your best advice so far.

Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: swmoracer on December 04, 2009, 06:26:47 PM
Anything new Jerb?????
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: justin case on December 25, 2009, 09:28:01 PM
Anything new Jerb :bash: :bash: :bash:
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on January 13, 2010, 12:07:16 AM
bear with me guys....the holidays put a serious crunch on the ole checkbook...gonna start working on it here pretty soon, leaning towards a 49 cube intek vertical with a right angle gearbox....that is the newest plan, i acquired a 44 intek that needs bored for free and complete, so unless a vanny jumps in my lap... :lol: thats the plan as of now!!!
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on January 23, 2010, 08:11:26 PM
well i managed to get a few little things done today, built the frame for the 3rd axle bearing, and started to work on the steering, waiting on axle to show up and i will have a rolling chassis....
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_003.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=003.jpg)
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_002.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=002.jpg)
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: mtd#7 on January 23, 2010, 11:29:13 PM
Sounds to me like you are going to have plenty of power to turn those rear tires!!! :woo: :woo:
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on January 23, 2010, 11:34:27 PM
well the inteks are not favored for this class, but i want to be different, and honestly to me, a horizontal engine is just not lawn mower enough for me....lol, plus by using a vertical engine i can swap anytime in the future for any other vertical engine with minimal work....
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: mtd#7 on January 23, 2010, 11:39:32 PM
makes since and sounds to me like you got a plan up your sleeve lol :woo: :woo:
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on January 24, 2010, 11:22:15 PM
i did get the mock up engine mounted today...used 1 1/4'' 3/16'' flat iron and welded it on the top of the frame to eliminate the step that the mtd walk-thru chassis have....centered the engine and placed it a little farther forward than stock, will be running the engine backward as well with the cylinder heads facing me...
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_003-1.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=003-1.jpg)
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_002-1.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=002-1.jpg)
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_001-1.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=001-1.jpg)
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Jason McCammon on January 24, 2010, 11:32:48 PM
You got it looking good.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Old Goat on January 25, 2010, 09:48:22 AM
LOOKIN' GOOD, Jerb!  :thumbsup: Since you're putting the motor in backwards, does that mean the mower will run backwards too???   :doh::D :lol3:
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: George Herrin on January 25, 2010, 12:00:39 PM
Jerb speak with me at the Winter Nats about the breather for the motor backwards, I can tell ya what I did to mine
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Rooster on January 25, 2010, 11:23:05 PM
LOOKIN' GOOD, Jerb!  :thumbsup: Since you're putting the motor in backwards, does that mean the mower will run backwards too???   :doh::D :lol3:
No..but it will seem that way when your trying to catch him running sideways!
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on January 25, 2010, 11:27:42 PM
LOOKIN' GOOD, Jerb!  :thumbsup: Since you're putting the motor in backwards, does that mean the mower will run backwards too???   :doh::D :lol3:
hadn't thought about that.... :lol:
Jerb speak with me at the Winter Nats about the breather for the motor backwards, I can tell ya what I did to mine
will do George...thanks
No..but it will seem that way when your trying to catch him running sideways!
:D
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Old Goat on January 26, 2010, 09:35:21 AM
That's what he'll think when I pass him!!! :pffftt: :omg: :D
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: swmoracer on January 26, 2010, 04:03:12 PM
I really like the way you built the frame for the 3rd axle bearing.It looks very nice.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on January 26, 2010, 09:45:24 PM
I really like the way you built the frame for the 3rd axle bearing.It looks very nice.
its as far over as it can be, the brake hub, rotor and sprocket hub i plan on using will all fit between 3rd bearing and factory frame, and i have room for up to a 60 tooth sprocket, right now on plan on using a 5 engine pulley, 7 ragb pulley and a 12 to 50 sprocket, will see how it works....
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: George Herrin on January 26, 2010, 10:04:59 PM
I run a 3.5 to a 7 then 13 to a 48 tooth. Thats my short track setup.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on January 27, 2010, 11:43:05 PM
got a little bit done in last 2 nights, been working on steering and grill and hood mounts,
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_002-2.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=002-2.jpg)
this is the front bearing for the steering shaft, im using 3/4'' shaft for the steering shaft, the tubing is light gauge 3/4'' tubing and 1/8'' flat iron for bearing mount.
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_001-2.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=001-2.jpg)
this is the rear bearing mount for the steering shaft, same light gauge tubing and 1/8'' flat iron, and i made sure i can still get the engine out, just have to pull the shroud, both bearing mounts will be slotted so i can pull the steering shaft off if need be..
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_003-2.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=003-2.jpg)
this is the front grill mount i built, the flat piece in front will be a good place to mount the front nerf bars onto as well, its 3/16'' flat iron...the bell crank is gonna get redone, im not happy with it, gonna try something different...

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_004.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=004.jpg)
this is with the hood installed, fits pretty decent, gonna make some filler panels so it looks better, also have a nice place for a oil pressure gauge and a voltmeter...
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_005.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=005.jpg)
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_006.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=006.jpg)

just a couple pics of the stance, i like the looks of it so far...tell me what ya think....
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Rooster on January 27, 2010, 11:48:24 PM
I think I'd like to know where you got the Snap-On sponsorship?
Lookin good man
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on January 27, 2010, 11:52:57 PM
I think I'd like to know where you got the Snap-On sponsorship?
Lookin good man
i wish,.... :lol:, that hood and grill off the ole sportsman ride, the only good grill i have possesion of, all my others are broke from numerous hay bales.... :lol: you have any plastic grills?? i need a couple
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Jason McCammon on January 28, 2010, 12:06:13 AM
Looking good man im gonna try to get the steering done this weekend on mine.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on January 28, 2010, 12:17:14 AM
i was gonna use u-joints on my steering to start with....but at $45 a pop for good ones i decided to go this route, have all this iron laying around the shop, so thought i would save some money, and go with a setup similiar to Georges build, i know allready all the pitman arms are too long....gonna have to make some new ones for bell crank and spindles as well...but thats the fun part, learning and grinding stuff back off... :lol:
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Jason McCammon on January 28, 2010, 12:19:01 AM
i was gonna use u-joints on my steering to start with....but at $45 a pop for good ones i decided to go this route, have all this iron laying around the shop, so thought i would save some money, and go with a setup similiar to Georges build, i know allready all the pitman arms are too long....gonna have to make some new ones for bell crank and spindles as well...but thats the fun part, learning and grinding stuff back off... :lol:
i hear ya about the fun part
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: stroked B/P on January 28, 2010, 12:20:42 AM
iam thinking...... one of these mite be my next build

looooooooks SWEET!!!!
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on January 28, 2010, 12:21:32 AM
thanks guys...
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Wheelhorseracer on January 28, 2010, 07:18:47 AM
Man I wish I had that much room to work.

Looks good.. Nice an low
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: royalblu68f100 on January 28, 2010, 07:31:28 AM
I just wish I could find a Vanny around here for next to nothing, maybe then I will be able to build one.  Everything I find around here is new/full price or blown up!  Otherwise the engine costs too much to have to tear down then build back up!
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: George Herrin on January 28, 2010, 07:33:45 AM
There is the SINGLE cylinder class also. Build a single. They will be a cheaper build and just as much fun.. I am building one.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: royalblu68f100 on January 28, 2010, 07:40:59 AM
I keep forgetting about the singles :bash: I think that just might solve it!!  :woo:
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: deere111 on January 28, 2010, 07:43:41 AM
Quote
There is the SINGLE cylinder class also. Build a single. They will be a cheaper build and just as much fun.. I am building one.

me too!!! :D
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Old Goat on January 28, 2010, 08:31:41 AM
How close does the bell crank get to the ground when you turn left? What if you would turn it 180 degrees and mount it with the pivot above the tie rods, like an upside down L. The end that the tie rods hook to would be pointed straight down and the end the drag link hooks to would be pointed to the right side. Then so it turns left when you turn the wheel left, just make the drag link that comes down from the steering column go on a diagonal,  (it would look like a Z from the front) just like you have to hook up the drag link with direct steering on a regular EC front axle.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on January 28, 2010, 09:28:11 AM
How close does the bell crank get to the ground when you turn left? What if you would turn it 180 degrees and mount it with the pivot above the tie rods, like an upside down L. The end that the tie rods hook to would be pointed straight down and the end the drag link hooks to would be pointed to the right side. Then so it turns left when you turn the wheel left, just make the drag link that comes down from the steering column go on a diagonal,  (it would look like a Z from the front) just like you have to hook up the drag link with direct steering on a regular EC front axle.
i dont think the arm on the bell crank will get all that low to the ground, i could be wrong, i may look into your idea Old Goat, gonna try and get some heim ends today and start hooking everything up and go from there, that is a good idea, just have to see.....
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on January 28, 2010, 09:42:59 PM
well i got the steering done sorta...having some issues with ackerman, or lack of, any ideas, everything has lots of adjustments, i do need to cut the arms off the spindles and make some shorter ones...
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_002-3.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=002-3.jpg)
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_003-3.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=003-3.jpg)
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Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: George Herrin on January 28, 2010, 10:10:03 PM
when you weld the spindle arms back on do not do them at a perfect 45 to axle. Have them go towards the tire a bit like a 1/8 inch or 3/16 this is building ackerman into the spindles.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on January 28, 2010, 10:14:10 PM
so basically opposite of what you do when you have a bellcrank in the rear with center steer?? thanks George
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: George Herrin on January 28, 2010, 10:22:55 PM
That OR on the bell crank make that arm like a fan put rods ends side by side not on top of one another.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Old Goat on January 29, 2010, 09:35:48 AM
Lookin' GOOD, Jerb!  Dang, it sure is short! I hope you don't have to cut a couple inches off your legs so you can fit on it!  :D

Here's the way we did the front steer on my brotherinlaws mod-x. The mower is upside down in the picture
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm181/OldGoat03/th_AlansMod-X002.jpg) (http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm181/OldGoat03/?action=view&current=AlansMod-X002.jpg)

Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: c.schulz on January 29, 2010, 06:17:05 PM
This is turning out really well Tim. Keep up the good work.

Chris
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on January 29, 2010, 07:44:43 PM
thanks guys....and old goat, i am fighting for room allready, leg room that is, my seat cant go back any farther, its not uncomfortable, but might take me awhile to get in and out of the seat.... :lol:, thankfully i ordered a large seat, just about got a medium seat, and pretty sure i would not have fit in it, thanks for the heads up on that Cromwell C4!!!
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on January 29, 2010, 08:48:24 PM
question here guys....is moving the spindle arms towards the wheel as George mentioned doing basically the same thing as what old goat did in the picture, just trying to get a better understanding at all the options when it comes to adding ackerman......
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: George Herrin on January 29, 2010, 09:02:45 PM
They are all a way of doing it to some extent.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Wheelhorseracer on January 29, 2010, 09:34:57 PM
A very simple way to determine ackerman (actually reverse ackerman on front steer) is to run a string from the center of the rear axle through the king pin on the front axle and out past the front of the mowchine. That is the angle from the king pin out.

On front steer it is difficult to get the tie rod and steering arm that close to the tire but as close as possible will get you pretty close the the ackerman you need.

Just a simple way to do it.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on January 30, 2010, 08:47:45 PM
ok guys after much cutting, grinding, welding and swearing today i still cannot get any ackerman in my steering, i tried moving the arms on the spindle closer to the wheel as George mentioned and even tried old goats method, and no matter what i try the wheels turn identically, spent about 5 hours with no luck, about 5 minutes short of a piece of dynamite under the chassis.....what do i try next, im back to square one, and really frustrated....
frustrated
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: docbro on January 30, 2010, 09:20:13 PM
Jerb,

Were the tie rods next each other?  The way they looked in Goat's method looked like they crossed each other at the bell crank.  Make sure that they sort-of butt toward one another snd you can always make them futher apart at the bell crank until you get the angle you want.  Also make sure the bell crank extends far enough that the tie rods angle back toward the spindles.

Doc
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on January 30, 2010, 09:26:44 PM
ok this may sound like a stupid question, is it possible to have ackerman in both directions, i could change the tie rod mounting point on the left side spindle arm to give me more turn in on the left side, but turning right will be off....maybe i made it too complicated???
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: George Herrin on January 30, 2010, 09:56:30 PM
Thats how our EC axles are. Move it on spindle arm to adjust it. And yes mine has a bit more on one side than the other. Did you put the tie rods togther, side by side, or over lap as Jim did on his on the bell crank. I apart and across from each other will give more ackerman also. Together is less and never tired Jims way.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Old Goat on February 01, 2010, 11:21:13 AM
Jerb, I wouldn't worry  :cry: too awful much about it. We are not going slow around sharp turns on asphalt with a differential in the rear axle, we're going fast on dirt with a solid rear axle.  :woohoo: If the front tires stay parallel with each other around the turns, so what! I don't think you'll ever notice any difference! Going slow, with even weight on both front tires is when you would notice...... but with a solid rear axle you probably can't tell then, either.  :D
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: George Herrin on February 01, 2010, 11:37:02 AM
Jerb, I wouldn't worry  :cry: too awful much about it. We are not going slow around sharp turns on asphalt with a differential in the rear axle, we're going fast on dirt with a solid rear axle.  :woohoo: If the front tires stay parallel with each other around the turns, so what! I don't think you'll ever notice any difference! Going slow, with even weight on both front tires is when you would notice...... but with a solid rear axle you probably can't tell then, either.  :D

Someone finally gets it. WOW!!!
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: mtd#7 on February 01, 2010, 08:18:27 PM
Jerb its whatever you like on your mowers and if you want to test them both than make a little plate and drill 3 holes.The hole in the middle is for the tie rod ends to over lap and the two on each side is for the way george does his.Easy way to get the right adjustment and easy way to figure out what you like.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on February 01, 2010, 09:17:29 PM
well after getting really grumpy i decided to try jims idea, just had to cut one of the ears off the bell crank and make a different one, no biggy and now it has ackerman both directions, i can adjust the left side for more or less now, so thanks for the input guys....it is appreciated!
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: George Herrin on February 01, 2010, 09:28:28 PM
Isn't building fun TIM!!!
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on February 01, 2010, 11:10:54 PM
ummmmm....sometimes..... :lol:
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: TeamScoot on February 01, 2010, 11:36:35 PM
ummmmm....sometimes..... :lol:

but its sooo worth it in the end
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: fordman21 on February 02, 2010, 06:37:07 AM
To get ackerman with your front end set up have the inner joints sharing the same bolt and run the tie rods on an angle up or down (depending on your steering set up) to the steering arms on the spindles. Make sure when the wheels are turned full left or full right that both tie rods are flat or level almost like one tie rod. You get the ackerman from the tie rods straightening out.  I'll see if I can find a pic for you.
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r190/fordman21_photos/th_IMG_0126.jpg) (http://s144.photobucket.com/albums/r190/fordman21_photos/?action=view&current=IMG_0126.jpg)
You will have good ackerman in both directions because your going to need it, you don't actually turn left as much as you will right.
Just a note, for a front steer set up such as yours.......do not mount the inner tie rods side by side, that only applys for rear steer set ups like yours and other steering set ups.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on February 10, 2010, 05:41:28 PM
well i got the steering to work and have ackerman left and right, im not sure i like it, but will have to do for now, was tired of messing with it and wanted to work on something else...
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_003-5.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=003-5.jpg)
did manage to get axle installed, missing a bearing yet, got rear fenders installed and seat all mounted, i made the two piece mtd fenders into a one piece with a bar across the back and added some metal to join them to the running boards..
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_001-3.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=001-3.jpg)
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Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Jeff Digou (Pitguy) on February 10, 2010, 06:15:20 PM
Looking Good Jerb  You will be able to play on the track with George soon :)
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Jason McCammon on February 10, 2010, 07:53:08 PM
Looking good Jerb
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on February 24, 2010, 11:03:02 PM
well i got most of the sheetmetal work done....did some simple deck halves from scratch, next up is getting the ragb mounted, finish the brakes and final drive, then an engine build, i think i will go with a noram cent clutch with a pulley welded to the drum, was thinking mini-cup or star, whats a good one for the money???
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_001-6.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=001-6.jpg)
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Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Cromwell C4 on February 24, 2010, 11:14:04 PM
Go with the noram star clutch. One of the lower tooth versions with the brass bushing  8)
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: George Herrin on February 25, 2010, 05:20:22 AM
We been running the Star Clutch with the needle bearings for years on our pro-X and have never had any issue's or failures of any kind. Same price too. All a personal preferance. What ever you choose, press the bushing or needle bearings out before welding pully on. Then press them back in.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Old Goat on February 25, 2010, 07:10:45 AM
I was just wondering, I saw this in the rules, written in red, talking about nerf bars...   "Bars should be 2 off of the rear tire.  With wheels turned to extreme position, there should be 2 of clearance between tire and bar."
 Are they talking about the front tires being turned the whole way left or right? What about running boards and mower decks. Does there have to be 2" clearance between the tire and them? That might be a tough one to meet! None of my mowers would meet that requirement! My front tires don't rub on anything, but I don't think I have nowhere near 2" of clearance! With me having fairly long legs I need all the legroom I can get.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: George Herrin on February 25, 2010, 07:21:50 AM
Those rules do not pertain to Super Modifieds. Those are only for the prepared classes. If you were legal before it will not be a problem now!!! It only pertains to purpose built nerf bars such as I have on my purple and yellow chassis
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Rooster on February 25, 2010, 07:38:42 AM
With me having fairly long legs I need all the legroom I can get.

And some peach fuzz on your face? :badgrin:
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Old Goat on February 25, 2010, 07:47:41 AM
Thanks, George. If I make the simulated mower deck / nerf bar the same on my super mod as I did on my pro-x, then I should be legal?

And some peach fuzz on your face? :badgrin:

 :thumbsup: :D

What is a star clutch? I went to Norams website and I didn't see a noram star clutch listed?
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: George Herrin on February 25, 2010, 08:02:03 AM
It was a clutch designed and sold for the Tecumseh Kart race motor called the tecumseh Star. APS sells them
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Super Modified #3 on February 25, 2010, 01:33:08 PM
most of the people wear we run have NORAM Star clutch.  We get the 18 tooth.  Then we get the pulleys with the weld on hub stile.  (just get the pulley).  Weld the pulley to the sproket and your good to go.  we also get them from APS.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on February 25, 2010, 06:28:48 PM
i assume the inboard mount means you can posistion it wherever you want on the crank??? and the outboard means it only slides on the crank till the crank bottoms out on the drum??
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: George Herrin on February 25, 2010, 07:00:31 PM
It bmeans the sprocket can go on first towards motor (inboard) or out away from motor (outboard). Ideally you want it inboard. Hard to do on a vertical setup.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on March 10, 2010, 11:06:49 PM
well having more time than money...lol, i went out to shop and made a 10'' brake disc, used a plasma cutter to cut it to size than put it in the lathe to true it up, gonna add some holes to lighten it up and mill some grooves in it, just used a 1 1/4'' weld a hub and some metal we had laying around, little less than 1/4'' thick, should work well.....and cost a whole $7 bucks to build plus a little time....
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_001-7.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=001-7.jpg)
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Wheelhorseracer on March 11, 2010, 07:15:05 AM
My kingdom for a lathe and a milling machine..

How big did you make the disc?
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: George Herrin on March 11, 2010, 07:20:42 AM
Quote
i went out to shop and made a 10'' brake disc
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Wheelhorseracer on March 11, 2010, 10:23:59 AM
my bad
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: fordman21 on March 11, 2010, 05:30:23 PM
The guys that are going with a chain drive on the horizontal engines like to use the smaller tooth count clutches (13 tooth with bushing) so they don't have to run such a big jackshaft sprocket to get a good primary ratio. But if I was going to weld a pulley on it, I'd go with the bigger tooth count (15 and up) with a bearing so the drum doesn't bind up with the belt tension.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on March 14, 2010, 10:42:03 PM
got the rotor finished and the caliper mounted...
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redid the dash too, didnt like the angled bars i had before...
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couldn't resist a pic of my favorite shop tool....
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Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: George Herrin on March 15, 2010, 04:28:25 AM
What kinda Arbour Press is that. Looks like several different functions it can do. Cool
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on March 15, 2010, 06:40:24 PM
it has actually 4 different work stations at it, a shear, i think it will do 3/4'' x 8 flat iron, it has a brake that can be taken out and replaced with a an angle iron shear, it has a notcher and a punch, we have the 3/8'' through 1'' punches, but they make a ton of different dyes for it, i think this one is a 56 ton model, its is a pretty handy machine for fabricating....here is a link to their site, they make some cool equipment, while its not cheap, they hold there value very well when you trade one in, and there about impossible to wear out...
http://www.unihydro.com/html/pro56.html
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Jeff Digou (Pitguy) on March 15, 2010, 06:46:45 PM
What kind of drive set up are you using ?   RAGB ?   

Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: nic_hayes on March 15, 2010, 06:47:13 PM
Thats my favorite metal working machine I've ever used, we had one at the college here and you can make anything you need on a mower with one.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: George Herrin on March 15, 2010, 07:01:16 PM
We have one in the metal shop but its not ever been hooked up He bought it at a sale and its just sit there.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on March 15, 2010, 07:16:04 PM
one you use them you wonder how you ever did without.....
What kind of drive set up are you using ?   RAGB ?   


it will have a ragb....with a cent. clutch
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Rooster on March 15, 2010, 08:03:29 PM
Believe thats called an Iron Worker, probably the only machine I don't have access too that I would like to, lol.
Awesome!
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: swmoracer on March 16, 2010, 03:19:29 PM
Dont ever try to cut tool steel in that Iron Worker! :doh: It will take big chunks out of the cutting edges.A good friend of mine is a Black Smith and has one in his shop.I have used it alot.He tapped into the hydrolics and built a really cool tubing bender.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: c.schulz on March 22, 2010, 10:57:24 AM
Keep me informed


Chris
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Old Goat on March 22, 2010, 02:45:24 PM
Dang, Jerb! As low as that seat is, can you see out over the steering wheel?  :worried: My seat is about 6" or 7" off of the ground and when I was setting on it last night I could just barely see out over the top of my steering wheel! Maybe I got it a little to high. It sure is comfy, though! I was setting in it last night about 12:30 in the morning, trying to figure out where to put the steering wheel and almost fell asleep!  :D
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Jeff Digou (Pitguy) on March 22, 2010, 03:25:22 PM
When do we get to see pics of your mower  OG ?    

Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Old Goat on March 22, 2010, 05:03:27 PM
When do we get to see pics of your mower  OG ?    

Pretty soon. I didn't get very far, yet. I did put a couple on our clubs web site. jcomrc.com
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Jeff Digou (Pitguy) on March 22, 2010, 05:15:12 PM
Ahhh yes  i remember seeing some of those pics on your photobucket page   Very nice so far
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on March 23, 2010, 07:28:32 PM
Dang, Jerb! As low as that seat is, can you see out over the steering wheel?  :worried: My seat is about 6" or 7" off of the ground and when I was setting on it last night I could just barely see out over the top of my steering wheel! Maybe I got it a little to high. It sure is comfy, though! I was setting in it last night about 12:30 in the morning, trying to figure out where to put the steering wheel and almost fell asleep!  :D
cant see over it, but i can see through it.... :lol:
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Jeff Digou (Pitguy) on March 23, 2010, 08:38:55 PM
When your sideways you don't need to need to see over the steering wheel lol
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on March 24, 2010, 10:05:01 PM
well the RAGB showed up today so i got it mounted...it sits on 1/4'' x 5'' plate to really make it strong...
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_005-3.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=005-3.jpg)
here is the ragb mounted with the coupler i made a few nights ago, basically just 2, 7/8'' weld a hubs welded together, i beveled the center where i welded them and then ground down the remaining weld
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_003-6.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=003-6.jpg)
it tucks up underneith the seat quite well, had to do some minor trimming on seat...
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_002-5.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=002-5.jpg)
and yes old goat i can see over the steering wheel.... :lol: but barely...need more feet room, 11'' front tires will take care of that, actually quite comfortable....
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_006-2.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=006-2.jpg)
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Caudy155 on March 24, 2010, 10:11:18 PM
jerb thats awesome! cant wait to see it all done!
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on March 24, 2010, 10:17:07 PM
me neither.... :lol:, bout time for really expensive part......i will get it done eventually, gonna try something a little different with the belt setup, thinkin of using a serpentine belt from engine to ragb...we have a bunch of pulleys laying around the shop with the diameters i need, at least close...thinking it would be more efficient than a standard 1/2'' kevlar belt, any thoughts on this???? i gonna put the outboard bearings on output shaft tomorrow and get shaft made up.....i was too tired tonight....but thanks for the compliment!!!
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Caudy155 on March 24, 2010, 10:37:28 PM
serpintine! wow now that thing would have some traction... i dont see why it wouldnt... if you have the resources to make it work... most of it would be machining the pulleys but that wouldnt be bad if you have the tools and plus it would have way more surfice area than a standard v belt... at least i think so... as long as you run like a six rib... i think that would work nice
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on March 24, 2010, 10:42:06 PM
but ssshhhh....dont tell anyone..... :lol:, i think the sepentine will work great...they are super strong belts, and running a noram clutch with it so, we will see, unless somebody has tried this and chimes in......i will be the guinnea pig.....
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Caudy155 on March 24, 2010, 10:57:28 PM
thats how it goes lol... you dont know till ya try... my case is i dont have enough tools or cash to try much lol...
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Burwell555 on March 24, 2010, 11:03:13 PM
Thia thought crossed my mind a while back,i was just to afraid to be laughed at  :lol: I think it would be ok, just would have to have a good tensioner to keep her bound down when the clutch hits. while your at it i would say an idler on the drive side would be mandatory with a centrifigal clutch. I could be wrong but its my thoughts
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on March 24, 2010, 11:04:36 PM
i have the tools and the time, my good looks get me the rest..... :rofl:
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Rooster on March 24, 2010, 11:06:15 PM
i have the tools and the time, my good looks get me the rest..... :rofl:

Which would be why he is building an intek....
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Burwell555 on March 24, 2010, 11:08:07 PM
man im glad i am wearin my boots!!!!! its gettin DEEP in here!  :lol2: :rofl:

 :owned2:

Rooster i gotta give ya that one..straight up owned!!
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on March 24, 2010, 11:09:25 PM
Thia thought crossed my mind a while back,i was just to afraid to be laughed at  :lol: I think it would be ok, just would have to have a good tensioner to keep her bound down when the clutch hits. while your at it i would say an idler on the drive side would be mandatory with a centrifigal clutch. I could be wrong but its my thoughts
will have a good tensioner with the most pulley wrap i can get...and yes an idler is mandatory on drive side in my books.....hasn't been tried that i know of, so heck, i give it a shot, not out much money if it dont work, just some time, i even thought about the cog belts and pulleys that aps sells....
Which would be why he is building an intek....
:owned2: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Caudy155 on March 24, 2010, 11:11:26 PM
well shoot tim you just might be on to something... patent it and sell it to ec lol... hahahaha might be the next big thing... imagine george running around with something you came up with lol... im just kidding fellas... but it is a good idea on a serious note lol
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Burwell555 on March 24, 2010, 11:16:13 PM
I dont think it would hurt to try...thats advancements and how racing evolves. a cog belt is somethin that i wondered about when we put a vaccuum pump on our pullin truck with the gilmer drive set up. just not sure where to begin!! and that route could be quite costly
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on March 24, 2010, 11:24:01 PM
i think a cog belt would be the bomb......im sure it would work really well.....but not cheap, i gonna try the sepentine drive mostly cause i have the parts laying around, and the only thing im out if it doesnt work is the cost of a belt and time.....i still think it be way better than the belts we run now, just my opinion!
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Burwell555 on March 24, 2010, 11:26:46 PM
a feller would only think the serpentine would do well...like i said i wouldnt think twice about tryin it. i am one of them hillbillies with way more time than money  :lol:
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Old Goat on March 25, 2010, 10:20:32 AM
I like the looks of your mower, Jerb. It still looks like a mower! And I agree about the serpentine belt. If you use one about an inch or more wide. They are WAY stronger than a v-belt and they run a lot cooler, because they flex so much easier. That's what destroys v-belts (the heat the belt makes from being hard to flex)  I think its an excellent idea and as long as you can make your own pulleys it shouldn't be any more expensive. But I think pulley alignment is a lot more critical for a serpentine belt to last.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Jeff Digou (Pitguy) on March 25, 2010, 10:29:17 AM
You would have to make the mounts strong so you could get the right tension on the belt. 
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Rooster on March 25, 2010, 04:11:24 PM
You would have to make the mounts strong so you could get the right tension on the belt. 

Maybe just use an automotive tensioner?
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Burwell555 on March 25, 2010, 04:32:59 PM
i would imagine so..they are stout though
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Caudy155 on March 25, 2010, 08:11:00 PM
^^^^ that they are!^^^^
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on March 25, 2010, 10:40:28 PM
well got the shaft made up to extend out from the ragb, i used 7/8'' hardened shaft....cant wait to mill the keyway in it... :lol:, also got the outside bearing put on, there will be another bearing on the other side of the sprocket, but the store only had one...
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_002-6.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=002-6.jpg)
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_001-9.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=001-9.jpg)
 sorry for not so good photos, keep forgetting the camera so phone has to do the job...
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Jeff Digou (Pitguy) on March 26, 2010, 07:30:05 AM
If it is only cased hardened  ( first .025 )   take light passes till your through the case   Shouldn't be a big problem :)
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on March 26, 2010, 05:42:52 PM
well got the shaft made up to extend out from the ragb, i used 7/8'' hardened shaft....cant wait to mill the keyway in it... :lol:, also got the outside bearing put on, there will be another bearing on the other side of the sprocket, but the store only had one...
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_002-6.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=002-6.jpg)
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_001-9.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=001-9.jpg)
 sorry for not so good photos, keep forgetting the camera so phone has to do the job...
i decided i didnt like how this turned out, i was too tired and in a hurry so with some sleep and some time this evening my outboard bearings are gonna get redone....i want to try and keep the ragb and outboard bearings as solid as can be...to prolong the life of the shaft and the ragb....pictures later tonight
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on March 26, 2010, 09:58:29 PM
well i got it redone much more to my liking, everything is 1/4'' material, this puppy isnt gonna move....the step through chassis are pretty light to begin with so weight is not really an issue, especially if you have the horsepower.....it might be an intek...but it gonna have the hosspower.. >:D
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_003-7.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=003-7.jpg)
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_001-10.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=001-10.jpg)
still not done, there will be another bearing on the other side of sprocket....as soon as somebody in town has the bearing and flanges...
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Caudy155 on March 27, 2010, 08:50:22 PM
man tim i wish i had the shop machinery you do... i could build sooo much lol...
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on March 27, 2010, 09:02:31 PM
i have to give credit to my boss and best friend for letting us use the shop anytime we like.....he likes the metal working stuff, and im not gonna complain.... :D
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: mtd#7 on March 27, 2010, 09:52:26 PM
like i have heard my hole life its all in who you know and you diffently know the right person
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Caudy155 on March 27, 2010, 10:45:57 PM
haha no doubt!  :lol2:
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on March 29, 2010, 07:18:30 PM
got the ragb all done and the bearings on the extended shaft along with the keyway's in the shaft done, i dont see this giving me any problems, should be pretty stout, there is an extra hub on the shaft beside the 12 tooth sprocket, there will be a 13 tooth sprocket on here as well for super fast gearing changes, have done this on another mower and works really well, just loosen them up and slide them over....
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_002-8.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=002-8.jpg)
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_001-11.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=001-11.jpg)
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Jeff Digou (Pitguy) on March 29, 2010, 07:28:31 PM
Looking Good Jerb  looks nice and strong   Where did you find your RAGB  ?
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on March 29, 2010, 07:43:42 PM
ordered it new from a peerless dealer....$185 and some change, not too bad a deal
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Jeff Digou (Pitguy) on March 29, 2010, 07:45:18 PM
On the internet ?  or a local dealer ?
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on March 29, 2010, 08:20:18 PM
a local case ih dealership got it for me....they deal in lawn mower parts as well, its actually a snapper deck gearbox, its a pretty beefy unit internally, filled with gear lube and 7/8'' shafts, i think it will hold up fine!!
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Jeff Digou (Pitguy) on March 29, 2010, 08:24:21 PM
George H has the same ragb on his Pro-X  behind a big Indian    so i am betting it will be fine
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on March 29, 2010, 08:27:26 PM
i believe his has the smaller 3/4'' shafts on his ragb... i could be wrong, but if it lives behind his, it should live behind mine....
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Jeff Digou (Pitguy) on March 29, 2010, 08:40:18 PM
Right now i have a choice

Modified class :  Must utilize a shiftable transmission or transaxle
super mod : Centrifugal clutch, traditional belt clutches allowed.  90 degree gear boxes, jackshaft setups allowed.  

I have a race to either find a RAGB or shiftable transmission or transaxle   Which ever one i find tells me what class i will be in

Also price   ragb and clutch     i have a peerless 600 but it only has a 3/4 axle    if i can find a cheep 700 tranny
Also  nice work on making a 600 into a transmission
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on March 29, 2010, 08:40:50 PM
if buying new a ragb and a foot operated clutch might be the cheapest, but 700 trannys can be found pretty cheap....
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Jeff Digou (Pitguy) on March 29, 2010, 08:46:10 PM
http://www.j-thomas.com/catalog/194_transmissions_mower_replacement.html

less then 45 minutes from me     but they are not cheep
the mower i took apart had two push-pull clutches 
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: George Herrin on March 29, 2010, 08:54:02 PM
The RAGB 1000 Series inside from bearing to bearing is the same Its the outsides that are different IE Jerbs has 7/8 shafts where mine were turned down to 3/4 shafts for different applications. They got em with spline shafts 1/2 inch shafts all different shapes and sizes but from where they are in the bearings thru the inside to the next they are all the same oh and they have either left hand or right hand.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Jeff Digou (Pitguy) on March 29, 2010, 09:00:20 PM
Cool to know   I am going to find out from a dealer in the area if i can get anything   thanks for the info
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on March 29, 2010, 09:00:30 PM
good info...George,so all shafts will interchange?? and the gears all the same?
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: George Herrin on March 29, 2010, 09:03:54 PM
Yes. I have swapped gaears and shafts around all the time over the years. Even made my own shafts by keying the internal gears instead of using the splines. This works well also when ya got em abd shafts are trashed and ya don't wanna spend 100 on a shaft and have access to a machine shop.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on April 06, 2010, 10:22:24 PM
wow, i been busy on build, well not really but getting little things done, made a chain guard this evening out of aluminum, not quite done, needs a little sanding before polishing,
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/th_003-8.jpg) (http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/jerb-2008/?action=view&current=003-8.jpg)
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: stroked B/P on April 07, 2010, 01:18:06 AM
hey jerb bring this mower with you on the 24th so i can see it in person oh an check your pm
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on April 07, 2010, 01:29:41 AM
yea right....the mod-x prolly riding down in the back of my expedition.......at least to rooster's place, if i had the room i would bring it!
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: stroked B/P on April 07, 2010, 01:31:54 AM
lol dang i wanted to see it where yall staying when ya get down and what day yall coming
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Rooster on April 07, 2010, 12:53:06 PM
Were driving in Friday night, umm...staying at Motel?
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: stroked B/P on April 07, 2010, 06:43:30 PM
umm...staying at Motel?

duhhhhh!!!!!!  :P
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Rooster on April 07, 2010, 06:47:34 PM
I dunno, I just get in truck when I get told were leaving, get out when I get told were there!
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: stroked B/P on April 07, 2010, 06:56:05 PM
I dunno, I just get in truck when I get told were leaving, get out when I get told were there!

ok, i was going to help find ya a hotel/motel cuz we are looking to, but fine!!!!! sleep with the dogs.....
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Burwell555 on April 07, 2010, 10:35:45 PM
dogs???
no the rest of the chickens in the coop!!  :rofl: :pffftt:
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: stroked B/P on April 07, 2010, 10:46:13 PM
 :lol2:
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Yosimite Sam on April 12, 2010, 08:00:39 PM
Jerb,

I like the spindles you made on page 3. The hub with 1 1/8 ID you said could be obtained from farm store, where can I get some? What is their origional purpose.

Thanks,
Wayne
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Rooster on April 12, 2010, 11:34:23 PM
Sam,
Any farm store, Orschelins, Atwoods Tractor supply, etc.. has a section with chain, belts, pulleys and gears...look in that area and you will find the hubs, they are meant to be welded to a puley or a gear.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Yosimite Sam on April 13, 2010, 06:31:58 AM
OK Thanks. I've seen the weldable sprocket hubs but wasn't sure if thats what I was seeing. That makes a great looking spindle barrel with minimal machining work.
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Jeff Digou (Pitguy) on September 07, 2010, 09:24:35 PM
Did you finish this build Jerb ?
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on September 07, 2010, 11:18:52 PM
No the build is not finished yet....look for a new build coming up here pretty quickly, want to change quite a few different things so i have not yet decided on starting over or continuing with this project, have a bunch of new ideas and might be better off starting with a bare chassis, but yes i will have a super mod twin to race for the 2011 season!!  8)
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: jerb on September 09, 2010, 07:08:59 PM
been working on a new chassis, a step through again, but am changing quite a few things, i will start a new build thread but if the moderators want to eliminate this thread that is ok by me, or if you want to leave it go ahead, should have some pics up by this weekend!
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: Jeff Digou (Pitguy) on September 09, 2010, 07:12:50 PM
keep the thread   i like the pictures to look at   
Title: Re: ARMA Super Modified Twin for 2010
Post by: birdman_express on September 09, 2010, 07:48:46 PM
When you get done here, I can just lock it, so your threads won't get mixed up.