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Title: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 14, 2008, 10:55:30 PM
just getting started on my tractor puller

http://photobucket.com/photosofmybuild (http://photobucket.com/photosofmybuild)

have a new welder gotta learn how to use it also need a lathe anyone have one
 maybe doing things a bit backwards but had to sand blast everything, primer, and reassemble before I started to modify.Just to look at it in clean stock form. Maybe im a bit obsessive/compulsive,so ive been told.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Big daddy on December 15, 2008, 04:04:56 PM
The hitch you made is a good hitch. You might use all thread couplers in place of the center 4 nuts, this will spread out the force on the all thread when the hitch section is trying to pull back. It will keep your all thread from wanting to bend as much. Other than that it looks just like the hitch I use on both of my tractors.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 15, 2008, 08:40:46 PM
thanks man good idea I will do that
waiting for some parts then I will post more progress
limited income probably going to go slow.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 16, 2008, 07:04:12 PM
Received pillow blocks and collars today mounted them and cut the original clutch pedal, to use as part of the clutch pedal assy and part of the deck raise/lower mechanism to make part of the brake pedal assembly. still have to cut a slot in the running board between the pillowblocks with mill and fab up a couple of pedals. I will cut the shafts to length once things are mounted and more finished. More to come.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_bullspictures020.jpg) (http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/bullspictures020.jpg)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Big daddy on December 17, 2008, 06:27:11 AM
gtpuller if you are serious about building a pulling garden tractor PM me sometime and I can give you some help.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 18, 2008, 10:11:59 AM
pmd ya.


progress from yesterday machined slots in the running boards for the pedals and cut out a mock up pedal



(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_bullspictures029.jpg) (http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/bullspictures029.jpg)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: outlawmower on December 18, 2008, 11:34:33 AM
Looks good dude! Let me know if you need any help also... I pull with a Kohler K-Series Engine on a Wheel Horse frame!

Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: bbekemeier on December 18, 2008, 06:08:42 PM
Holy Pillow Blocks!!! :woo:
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 18, 2008, 07:19:02 PM
yeah crazy huh talk about overkill but only 6 pounds for the lot
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 21, 2008, 06:05:26 PM
Fired up the welder on saturday and started welding a couple of ramps for the garden shed. Practice before welding on the tractor. Not quite the same as stick welding is it. Anyway started giving thought to the front axle and steering I have read a lot of the racing threads and mostly understand their setup. Would like to pattern my front axle and spindle setup after the e.c. axle with all of the caster and camber adjustment, etc. Not sure why, not really gonna go fast or turn but I like it mechanically.  I don't know about the direct steering thing and the cheapest rack and pinion that I can find is about 90 bucks from    http://www.motivationaltubing.com (http://www.motivationaltubing.com)
its part # 300653.  Restored original front axle and steering but they gotta go just too loose and I fear not heavy enough.What do you tractor pullers use? Opinions? Really looking for something like a funny car steering box http://www.pro-werks.com  (http://www.pro-werks.com) Anyone know where to buy small gearboxes?
thanks gents for your interest and input
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: outlawmower on December 21, 2008, 06:53:17 PM
If you are juts pulling no need for something like the EC front axle... I have seen guys use the stock front axles and juts "beef" them up with some flat bar steel from lowes as well as bolt it solid to the frame instead of letting them pivot.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 23, 2008, 08:00:30 PM
finished fabricating pedals today a lot of small pieces to line up and tap. I used 1/4" aluminum flat bar for the actual pedal. Still have to weld collars.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_bullspictures037.jpg) (http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/bullspictures037.jpg)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: outlawmower on December 23, 2008, 08:17:54 PM
Looking good!
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 24, 2008, 07:53:23 PM
Photo of fabricated go pedal and mounting plate (all aluminum) shown below. Throttle linkage next.  Hope im not posting too much it just helps me think about what I want to do next . My first attempt at anything like this, so learn as you go I guess.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_bullspictures039.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=bullspictures039.jpg)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 29, 2008, 11:34:37 PM
finally started working on the chassis, thought about the axle, gonna go stock for now; spend what little money that I have right now, on getting the rear of the tractor in order. Worked the last couple of days on machining the original rear plate of the chassis. I mounted up the hitch, kill switch module, and the tail light to a 3/16" steel plate, the wheelie bars will also mount to this plate. weighs quite a bit. I'm going to weigh it tomorrow to find out. This whole thing will bolt to the original rear plate of the mower, obviously with some reinforcement.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_bullspictures060.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=bullspictures060.jpg)


(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_bullspictures061.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=bullspictures061.jpg)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Slick Rick on December 29, 2008, 11:42:16 PM
Wow can't wait to see the finished product, Your pedals work top notch.

You can never post to much and, keep the pics coming. :lol:
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 30, 2008, 10:04:28 PM
The plate with things mounted so far weighs in at 26 pounds. That's a lot of steel but will lose some when it is mounted up and the fender height is set. The wheelie bars and their mounts will however add some weight. Started throttle pedal linkage today, now would be a good time for a cnc machine. I'm going to get the transaxle and the rear tires and wheels soon, then I will bolt the plate to the tractor at the correct hitch height and set the fender height. I have a couple of questions for you tractor pullers out there. For this project I want to use the carlisle 26x12x12 super lug tire with douglas 5 on 4.5 rims with 4/8 offset. How much pressure do you typically run in the tires and would anyone know a source for 5 on 4.5 hubs that would fit a 1" axle for a peerless 820 transaxle, with or without modification. Thanks in advance for your input, thanks gentlemen for your comments, and happy new year to everyone. And yeah; I couldn't resist this photo below.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_bullspictures068.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=bullspictures068.jpg)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: tractorracer12 on December 30, 2008, 10:30:05 PM
I got a set of 5 lug hubs off of a Wheel horse, they was 1'' with 1/4'' keyway.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: outlawmower on January 01, 2009, 08:06:35 AM
The plate with things mounted so far weighs in at 26 pounds. That's a lot of steel but will lose some when it is mounted up and the fender height is set. The wheelie bars and their mounts will however add some weight. Started throttle pedal linkage today, now would be a good time for a cnc machine. I'm going to get the transaxle and the rear tires and wheels soon, then I will bolt the plate to the tractor at the correct hitch height and set the fender height. I have a couple of questions for you tractor pullers out there. For this project I want to use the carlisle 26x12x12 super lug tire with douglas 5 on 4.5 rims with 4/8 offset. How much pressure do you typically run in the tires and would anyone know a source for 5 on 4.5 hubs that would fit a 1" axle for a peerless 820 transaxle, with or without modification. Thanks in advance for your input, thanks gentlemen for your comments, and happy new year to everyone. And yeah; I couldn't resist this photo below.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_bullspictures068.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=bullspictures068.jpg)


Generally in the smaller tractors that we run with the 22's we run about 6-7 pounds... In the bigger ones run 7-8 pounds or more depends on your track setup.

Since you are going to run a 1 inch axle like it was mentioned above but get a set of wheel horse hubs from the older cast iron transmissions. They will be 5 on 4.5 and they will be a direct slide on hub.

Outlaw
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: FlatheadPuller on January 01, 2009, 11:22:23 AM
Hey GT the tractor looks good so far. My only concern for you with that transaxle and a set of 26 in tires. You will pop that 820 peerless real quick. It may hold up in racing but once you load it with the tractor weight and hook it to the sled it will break and it will break fast. My opinion would be to run a twisted belt setup from a murry or dynamark and a old school peerless 4 speed cast iron trans. It already has the correct hubs and it will last. I run the smae twisted belt setup on my boys tractor and have never had a problem with it in his class. My stepdad runs a shell fender JD with a 4 speed peerless and a open rpm .060 14hp kohler. His engine has all the good stuff. Its pretty much built like a SA engine with the ,340 lift cam. He has never had a problem with his trans even with a set vm07's. You could retro fit the 4 speed peerless in you chassis very easily and no one would no the difference. It is a real easy swap. yo just need the correct pulley bracket and pulley.

just my opinion. I just don't like seeing broken parts ruin a guys day of fun.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on January 01, 2009, 12:07:51 PM
Cool, thanks i'll look into it. The rules I am building to allow transaxle swaps anyway so not a problem. And Outlawmower thanks you for the tire pressure information.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on January 02, 2009, 12:56:14 PM
took your advice flathead puller and bought a peerless cast iron transaxle found one in Pa. and its on the way. The shipping though : :doh:
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Big daddy on January 02, 2009, 01:08:39 PM
Just curious, how much did you give for the peerless transaxle?
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: outlawmower on January 02, 2009, 05:09:18 PM
Cool, thanks i'll look into it. The rules I am building to allow transaxle swaps anyway so not a problem. And Outlawmower thanks you for the tire pressure information.
:twothumbsup:
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on January 04, 2009, 11:14:26 AM
Worked on the throttle assembly for my gas pedal yesterday. Pretty much finished it up, just have to mount it to the plate under the pedal, Seems to work ok, but I may have to cut the end of the arm a bit to have enough pedal travel. I'm pretty happy with the way that it came out though. Now I am just anxiously waiting for my new "old" transaxle. Can't wait to get it.


(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_bullspictures072.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=bullspictures072.jpg)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: outlawmower on January 04, 2009, 04:28:31 PM
This is looking good! I wish I had a Small Milling Machine and Lathe in my shop. I have to go over where I take my classes to have access for these machines. Let me ask you, have you ever had any experience with the harbor freight tool brand lathes and milling machines? Other wise known as a "Central Machinery".

Outlaw
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on January 05, 2009, 06:39:02 PM
pm,d ya
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on January 07, 2009, 07:39:25 PM
mounted up the throttle assembly to go pedal mounting plate works good, would maybe change the arm a bit next time though

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_bullspictures077.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=bullspictures077.jpg)

wait is over on the transaxle came today it was just like christmas all over again. I'm sure most of you guys have seen one of these, but for those of you that haven't.


(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_bullspictures076.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=bullspictures076.jpg)

could you guys give my some input on brake options to use with this transaxle. I know what I would like to do but it would probably be more and more expensive than necessary. Can I get away with retrofitting the brake shaft with a disc?

thanks Gents!
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: outlawmower on January 07, 2009, 08:42:39 PM
I beileve on the peerless transmissions there is a disc with band brake correct? Like the wheel horse transmissions.

Anyway I would clean the dsic and find you a good condition band brake and that should be sufficient enough for what you are doing. I know the wheel horse band brakes are more then enough!

Also looking good on that pedal assembly!

Keep up the good work!

Outlaw
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on January 11, 2009, 08:30:59 PM
I've been busy doing other things but figured out what I want to do for brakes. Being a bit O/C decided to go with a 6" disc brake instead of the original mechanical brake, just have to make my own hub. Not necessary I guess but seems like something I have to do. On to transaxle. Soaked pully,brake, and hub screws/bolts overnight in penetrating oil, still wont budge. Sandblasted the case today. It was all my little siphon feed sandblaster could do. Going to replace axle housing to case bolts, and the case to cover bolts. The head of one of the axle housing bolts was twisted off when I received it and darned if I didn't twist another one off. Anyway a friend of my  pops has a welder with a carbon torch gonna take it to him tomorrow, and hope I can get them loose that way. There Is not going to be a lot of clearance for the new transaxle but measurements say it will fit. I can't wait to finish cleaning up the transaxle so that I can work on mounting it into the chassis.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on January 12, 2009, 10:11:38 PM
A bit of progress today no carbon torch yet but a bit more penetrating oil, along with patience and and a little bit of heat, more bolts loosened. Accurately measured from the end of the brake shaft to the end of the input shaft of the transaxle, it measures 11 1/4", The inside frame measures 12 1/2". This leaves 5/8" on each side of the transaxle. Not much room, a bit concerned about the clearance for the brake caliper, but I should be able to make it work alright.

brake system components yet to order....

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_BRAKESYSTEM.gif) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=BRAKESYSTEM.gif)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: FlatheadPuller on January 13, 2009, 05:37:39 PM
Gt that brake setup is nice but way overkill. You could spend the money on something else that will make HP. I would run the disk brake that some peerless trans axles were equipped with. The trans I put in my boys tractor was out of a murray with the twisted belt setup. It has a 5 inch disk with a mechanical caliper. That is enough for a pulling tractor. Remember your not going fast you just need to hold it still when needed. Here is a video of my boys tractor. The mower racers would have wanted this one.

(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd259/dennisb777777/th_sam.jpg) (http://s222.photobucket.com/albums/dd259/dennisb777777/?action=view&current=sam.flv)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on January 17, 2009, 07:52:09 PM
Finally had some time to work on the transaxle today, been keeping the hubs wet with penetrating oil all week. Built a puller out of 3/16" angle iron, got the acetylene torch out, heated the hub started cranking on the bolt and.......

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_bullspictures081.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=bullspictures081.jpg)

ended up with a hole saw, cut off saw, even dremel to cut a slot in one of the woodruff keys in the axle; to get it out, definately was a test for my patience. picture below is what is left of the hubs

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_bullspictures082.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=bullspictures082.jpg)

new hubs on the horizon.

Next:
Removed axle housings: but axle bearings rusted to the point that the bearing race is rusted to the axle had to take the balls out of the bearings to get the axle housings off past the races.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_bullspictures078.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=bullspictures078.jpg)

next step is to cut a slot in the races and pull them off of the axles. split the case, check out the internals, and drill and tap the bolts that were twisted off in the process, axle housing to case bolts, penetrating oil and heat didn't prevent this. have managed to change all of the case to cover bolts, etc.

anyone have a source for parts other than.......

http://www.outdoordistributors.com/peerless/peerless.html (http://www.outdoordistributors.com/peerless/peerless.html)

seems like the bearings in the axle housing at least should be pretty standard.

WOW what a day!!!!! PATIENCE WAS CERTAINLY TESTED 2DAY






Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on January 19, 2009, 08:49:56 PM
AND YET ANOTHER POST. Progress today split the transaxle case , all of the needle bearings and internal parts look good a welcome sight after all the work on the outside of the case, looks like the only parts that I need to purchase will be the axle bearings, oil seals, o-rings and gaskets and shims as needed. I also need to make new hubs.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_bullspictures084.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=bullspictures084.jpg)

I'll order the parts tomorrow. Can't wait to put the transaxle back together so that I can move on. Seems like I haven't made any progress lately, I guess that I have though.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on January 22, 2009, 09:12:08 PM
Finished up on the case yesterday drilled out all 5 bolts that snapped off upon disassembly. With a lot of patience managed to get them out without ruining any threads, only reassembly and paint left and it will be good as new. Started the transaxle mounting pieces today, gonna fab it up kinda like a 4 link used in a drag car. I don't know if anyone has done it like that before but for my application and frame style ( ya know a lawn tractor instead of a garden tractor), it seems like the best way to tie the new cast transaxle , wheelie bars, and hitch, to the frame while maintaining the stock frame. Just thinking outloud, sorry if I'm rambling on, somehow I don't feel complete now if I don't post things regularly.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on January 26, 2009, 06:34:02 PM
worked on new transaxle mounts last couple of days while waiting for parts to put the transaxle back together. Some pictures are included below. I used some 3/16" steel plate for the brackets, which will be welded to steel angle, mounted to the transaxle and frame.  I am using aurora 1/2" rod ends,tube adapters, and tubing, to tie the brackets to the front of the tractor, the other rod end will be used for the wheelie bar setup, don't really like any of the wheelie bar designs i've seen on the different pulling sites so i'm just gonna do my own design.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_bullspictures088.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=bullspictures088.jpg)


(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_bullspictures090.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=bullspictures090.jpg)



question, will mineral spirits damage rubber seals on input and brake shaft if i use it to clean out the needle bearings in the transaxle case, I think it will be ok but what do you guys think.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: outlawmower on January 26, 2009, 08:27:31 PM
I am not sure about the needle bearings but, I do know that the Ball Bearings you can wash in varsall as long as you oil them right after washing them.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on January 29, 2009, 08:30:59 PM
A couple of parts for the transaxle are backordered, so the whole order is being held up. Tired of waiting so reassembled the case and started to mock up the installation. Gonna notch the frame to lower the transaxle. I hope that I am interpreting the rule correctly. Pretty sure that I am. I hope the next couple of days I can make a bit of progress again. I am gonna lower it about 4" into the frame.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_bullspictures092.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=bullspictures092.jpg)

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_bullspictures091.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=bullspictures091.jpg)

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_bullspictures094.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=bullspictures094.jpg)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on January 30, 2009, 09:56:10 PM
More progress today pictures below........

notched frame..

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_bullspictures099.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=bullspictures099.jpg)

lowered axle location....


(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_bullspictures095.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=bullspictures095.jpg)


fits like a glove.......

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_bullspictures096.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=bullspictures096.jpg)

I hope to finish bolting the transaxle to the frame tomorrow

Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: outlawmower on January 30, 2009, 10:06:00 PM
This thing is turning out SWEET! Keep up the good work! BTW Have you looked into a lathe yet?
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: lowgalaxie on January 31, 2009, 12:40:25 AM
Where is the input pulley going to be verses the tunnel panel.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on January 31, 2009, 07:31:11 AM
Left hand side as you are facing the back of the tractor still have to machine both of the transaxle mounting brackets to allow for clearance for the pulley and the brake disc.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on February 03, 2009, 09:21:28 PM
machined spacers to go between transaxle mounting angle and the frame, have a couple of parts left to finish machining then I will go ahead and mount it all up, just have to take my time and make sure its all square don't wanna have it in there crooked. My transaxle parts shipped yesterday, should have them soon.


(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_bullspictures098.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=bullspictures098.jpg)

Finished machining spacers, drilled and tapped them to mount to transaxle mounting bracket, these countersunk screws will keep the spacers in place until the holes are drilled through into the frame, I also managed to machine the mounting brackets to allow for clearance for the input pulley and the brake disc. Pictures below....


(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_bullspictures100.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=bullspictures100.jpg)


(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_bullspictures101.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=bullspictures101.jpg)


(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_bullspictures102.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=bullspictures102.jpg)


Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on February 07, 2009, 09:35:21 PM
Mounted up the transaxle today, managed to do the whole thing without drilling any holes oversized. I'm pretty happy with how it has turned out so far. There is still more work on it but I feel like I finally accomplished something today. Still waiting on transaxle parts.

All bolts will be replaced with grade 8 when finished.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_bullspictures105-1.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=bullspictures105-1.jpg)

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_bullspictures106-1.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=bullspictures106-1.jpg)


(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_bullspictures108-1.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=bullspictures108-1.jpg)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on February 10, 2009, 08:58:06 PM
A little bit at a time. started mounting up the hitch today, found out today that the transaxle parts have not been shipped yet, and still need hubs too. Do you guys think that the hitch plate should be connected to the transaxle mounts, or is that necessary. I am leaning towards that but any opinion is welcome.  Plan to machine some of the steel plate away once I determine the fender height with the new tires,try to get rid of some weight, I have added a lot.


(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_bullspictures110.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=bullspictures110.jpg)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on February 22, 2009, 09:20:20 PM
Ordered steel for my weight bar setup yesterday.Expensive but no choice.  Gave up on the scrap yard ,usually pretty good but not this time. Looking foreward to getting back on the project.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on March 04, 2009, 09:20:45 PM
Received my steel monday been finishing up the mounting assembly for the weight bar, my other computer crashed, no software to download pictures from camera, coming soon though. My pops and I ordered a lathe from grizzly it will be here monday looking foreward to using it, first thing is to make hubs for the transaxle, the originals were destroyed when taking it apart.

machined these pieces a long time ago these pieces are part of the weight bar assembly finally finishing this up. More pix soon.



(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_bullspictures012.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=bullspictures012.jpg)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: OpposedPanzer on March 06, 2009, 05:26:36 PM
lookin good man whens your first pull?

Casey
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on March 18, 2009, 07:00:07 PM
The desktop is back. laptop still getting repaired both computers crashed 3 days apart from each other. have finished weight bar assembly, pictures when i get my laptop back. I su*k at welding not very consistent they won't break but some are not that clean. I need more practice I guess. It fits well and is strong guess that what really matters. I also finally received my transaxle parts the other day, I ordered them on the 29th of January Techumseh going out of business kept one part on backorder until now. Hopefully this won't be a continuing problem. there's a lot of their stuff out there ya know! feels great to have the computer back.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Mike Gentry on March 18, 2009, 07:28:00 PM
 :thumbsup: .......... these pullers are kinda interesting ............ lookin good  :)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on March 22, 2009, 07:28:11 PM
I have my laptop back, absolutely nothing was recovered from the old hard drive! I guess that I have a lot to do to get it back like i need it.  Anyway, here are some photos of what i've been doing on the tractor.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_084.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=084.jpg)

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_081.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=081.jpg)

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_086.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=086.jpg)

I'm planning to use an ammo box on the end of the bar to put weight into. Don't pay attention to the welds. I need much more work on that skill set before i'm even close to happy with it.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: OpposedPanzer on March 22, 2009, 08:42:43 PM
lookin Good
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on March 22, 2009, 09:07:47 PM
lookin Good

thanks man just happy to have my computer back next is to put my transaxle back together and make new hubs.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on April 02, 2009, 08:05:25 PM
Haven't done much work on the tractor lately seems other things have taken over my time. My pops is the lathe guy. He started on the hubs the other day. pix soon. He's showing me some tricks and I should be up to speed on it soon.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Rooster on April 08, 2009, 02:05:58 PM
Nobody else commented, but Great Videos and a good pull by Sam.
Love to see the youngins gettin' it done!
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on April 16, 2009, 09:33:21 PM
Man we have both been busy haven't been doing anything on the tractor lately, waiting for an arbor for the tailstock on the lathe to finish the hubs. The case of the transaxle is primered and ready to reassemble. Just gotta find the time to put it back together.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_PICT0773.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=PICT0773.jpg)



We are making the hubs in two pieces, this will be the piece that mounts to the axle.


(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_PICT0772.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=PICT0772.jpg)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on April 18, 2009, 06:24:11 PM
Would you guys use synthetic gear oil or regular gear oil in the peerless 2300 Leaning towards lucas synthetic but dont know for sure if that is the best.

thanks for your input......
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: outlawmower on April 18, 2009, 07:10:57 PM
I use synthetic stuff...Seems i hold up very well and does not dirty that often. Usually have to change after every season.

On the hubs... Explain how you will make the second piece and mount them to the first?
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on April 18, 2009, 08:19:27 PM
Thank you outlaw thats what i thought too. As for wheel hubs i'm gonna run 3 bolts through "flange/hub" into disc with 5 on 4.5 bolt pattern then tack disc to flange/hub kinda how brake disc mounts to hub for a live axle different maybe but i believe that it is better than the original design and cheaper than making it out of one piece. we will see how it works out.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: outlawmower on April 19, 2009, 07:06:43 AM
Ok sounds good. When tacking the hubs together make sure you get a good deep weld. The lay a beed all the way around.

One more suggestion would be to use a Gas welder for doing so. It makes a stronger / deeper weld on steel.

Otherwise looking good!

Outlaw
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on April 19, 2009, 10:21:55 AM
Is there any recommended assembly lube or should i just lube up the bearing mating surfaces with the gear oil. if the expense is warranted is royal purple or red line oil better,or is there something else to use.

http://www.royal-purple.net/maxtuff.pdf (http://www.royal-purple.net/maxtuff.pdf)

http://www.redlineoil.com/pdf/2.pdf (http://www.redlineoil.com/pdf/2.pdf)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: outlawmower on April 19, 2009, 11:04:26 AM
For assembly I use Grease. Just plain ol' Valvoline sythnthetic grease.

Outlaw
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on April 19, 2009, 02:30:51 PM
I am not sure about that. Axle bearings yeah but not the needle bearings in the case of the transaxle or engine bearings, etc. ended up going to autozone. They had some lucas oil assembly lube, lucas doesn't show it on their website but they had it at autozone.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: outlawmower on April 19, 2009, 02:47:32 PM
I have always used Valvoline grease and never had a problem. I know a older gentlemen that has used it for years! Even on the needle bearings and torington bearings for car transmissions.

Outlaw
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: FlatheadPuller on April 19, 2009, 03:48:44 PM
I use automatic trans fluid in my puller rear ends. Gear oil is thick and takes power to turn. Your not mowing with it, the trans doesn't make any heat when pulling. In ten years I have never had a problem with auto trans fluid.

Dennis
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: outlawmower on April 19, 2009, 04:37:35 PM
For Assembly of the bearings and other crucial parts I use Valvoline Synthetic grease. As for transmission stuff I use a real thin lubricant by valvoline. Same stuff the racers use...

Outlaw
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on April 19, 2009, 09:48:23 PM
thanks for the input gentlemen, gonna take your advice and give it a shot. Try to get the transaxle back together tomorrow. Not replacing the seals didnt't seem dried out or cracked so I didn't buy new ones. Hope I don't regret it.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on April 20, 2009, 10:10:23 PM
I was able to put most of the transaxle back together today ( pictures below ). I just have the gasket to set and bolt the case halves together and axle housings on. Slow start today! I took it apart in January, and my memory isn't what it used to be. Even with the manual and exploded parts diagram twas quite a challenge as far as where the shims went especially the differential, drawing didn't seem to match the shims that were originally in place, feel pretty confident now though. Ended up using grease albiet not reg synthetic grease. I found this stuff at the autoparts store when I bought the tranny fluid. links below

http://www.lubriplate.com/products/greases/no-105-motor-assembly-grease.html (http://www.lubriplate.com/products/greases/no-105-motor-assembly-grease.html)

http://www.royalpurple.com/manual-transmission-fluid.html (http://www.royalpurple.com/manual-transmission-fluid.html)

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_Picture006.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=Picture006.jpg)

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_Picture003.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=Picture003.jpg)

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_Picture007.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=Picture007.jpg)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on April 21, 2009, 07:14:58 PM
Finished putting the transaxle back together today, input shaft wasn't cooperating initially, after second guessing the placement of a shim I finally realized that I had installed the gear on the input shaft upside down, preventing it from seating properly in the bearing. Finally got case to bolt down tight without anything binding, installed axle seals and housings ,housing bearings, oil, and the shifter. I paid special attention to the assembly of the shifting forks and gears because of prior experience with a motorcycle, but you know it all works correctly except it seems that I have no reverse, one of the shifter forks is worn where the shifter fits into it but that doesn't seem to be causing the problem. Guess I will be crackin the case again to see what the he## that I did wrong. I didn't enjoy it too much today I hope that I can take a deep breath tomorrow and remember that, "the sun is warm and the grass is green". Any thoughts or comments from anyone would be appreciated. It also looks like I am going to have to use a helicoil on one of the axle housing bolts after all. I thought all of them that I drilled out were gonna be ok guess not, its pretty tight just afraid to torque it down to spec. .
                   
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on April 22, 2009, 05:56:22 PM
Went ahead and ordered a shifter fork for my transaxle today, gonna wait until I get the part before I tear it back apart to find my error. I guess by the time it all works I will know how to rebuild it.    :mad: :bash:
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on April 27, 2009, 09:09:44 PM
I am supposed to get the shifter fork on wednesday. We will see. The wheel hubs are coming along ok. We didn't get a tool holder for the boring bar for the lathe when we bought it. I can't really afford one right now so going to machine a "custom tool holder" on the mill, to use with the boring bar

Transaxle waiting to be torn down again, still no reverse.
I was hoping it would fix itself, but so far it hasn't.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_PICT0788.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=PICT0788.jpg)

Hub piece on lathe.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_PICT0789.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=PICT0789.jpg)

Hub pieces waiting for boring bar.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_PICT0792.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=PICT0792.jpg)


Sorry if I am a little post and picture happy, can't help it. Maybe, someday I will get this sucker rolling and there will be something to actually look at!


Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: tonykummrow on April 28, 2009, 04:19:19 AM
No No keep the pics coming. that it is why it is called the build section. you post pics of every step of the way. keep it up
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: outlawmower on April 28, 2009, 01:50:06 PM
What do you need the boring bar for? Just get a 1" or 3/4" Drill bit and drill it out to the size needed...
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: tractorracer12 on April 28, 2009, 03:22:18 PM
A boring bar is alot nicer cut.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: outlawmower on April 28, 2009, 03:34:34 PM
A boring bar is alot nicer cut.

Yes, I realize that but why not keep it simple? What did you drill out the hubs to now? And what size do you need to have them cut?
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on April 28, 2009, 03:45:12 PM
3/4" now going to 1", you know man, new toy, working on a new skill set, don't want it oversize, maybe .001 over would be good, never used one, live to try new things! Going to 1" than gonna have the keyways cut at a local machine shop.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: outlawmower on April 28, 2009, 03:47:36 PM
Ok, Just wanted to check. As far as the build looking good! I need to build some hubs for a similar project soon. Gonna use the same design.

Outlaw
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Rooster on April 28, 2009, 10:09:56 PM
I would go more than .001 over. I have been building in that range and find tat with that close of fit, they get really tough to take apart. I have started going .003 over, still a nice fit!
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on April 29, 2009, 08:35:31 AM
.001 is likely too close, will go a bit more over, just a little O/C like things to fit thanks Rooster.

Tim
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on April 29, 2009, 07:33:07 PM
Received the shifter fork today guess i'm gonna tear transaxle back apart looked over the manual again tonight pretty sure I followed the drawings any input on similar experiences with the 2300 or other units would be appreciated, unless I see something obvious, not sure where to go with it.  :confused:
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on April 30, 2009, 03:58:41 PM
Well, it was something obvious. :doh: .doh. installed reverse idler gear on the wrong side of spacer. We had to split the case anyway to drill for the helicoil and to replace the shifter fork. It has all the gears now and shifts freely. All of the case and axle housing bolts are properly torqued and case has been cleaned and re-primered. Confident all is good now.

before:

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_bullspictures076.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=bullspictures076.jpg)

after:
here it is: waited for parts forever, finally back together
 
(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_taxledun.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=taxledun.jpg)

http://www.g-team.us/Mowbetter/peerless.pdf

page 74 of this manual shows the reverse idler gear, shaft and spacer

Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on May 06, 2009, 06:57:32 PM
My pops and I worked on the transaxle hubs today. We bought a 1" bit the other day and went ahead and drilled them out. They fit the axle well. Scored today, bought a piece of 3/8" steel plate 24" x 32" for $3.00 at the salvage yard. We're going to use this steel to make the rest of the wheel hubs, plus a bunch extra for some other project. I was going to buy a 6" brake disc from QRC karts but it's $35.00 or 50 cents think I will go with the 50 cents, have plenty of steel. However!

How thick is the brake disc used with a BTS pro mini caliper? I haven't purchased the caliper yet. I am going to make the hub and brake disc.




Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on May 07, 2009, 05:07:23 PM
 According to the folks at QRC Karts their 6" slotted rotor is 1/8" thick works with BTS Pro Mini Caliper.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on May 23, 2009, 07:13:59 PM
My pops and I did a little work the last couple of days, Finished the boring bar holder. Pulled off the tool holder and A gunsmith friend of ours machined slots in the bottom of the tool holder to allow for four more positions. Works great! Boring bar holder works good too.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_PICT0812.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=PICT0812.jpg)

Finished preliminary face of the wheel mounting plates.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_PICT0811.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=PICT0811.jpg)

next step is to bolt the hubs to the plates and finish cutting the discs.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_PICT0813.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=PICT0813.jpg)

A little bit at a time I guess.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on June 30, 2009, 08:11:04 PM
Wow time flies, been trying to get back at it. Finally ordered and received Rear rims 4/8 offset, Pops and I got back on the hubs almost finished. pix tomorrow. ordered the tires, master cylinder and brake caliper today when they arrive, and the hubs are finished, ought to be back on track to finish a lot of things on the tractor. Still have to machine brake rotor, hope to start it tomorrow or thursday. I'm excited to get the transaxle mounted, and the tires and rims to see how its going to look, it's gonna be a close fit not a lot of room to spare I think. 
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on July 03, 2009, 05:48:24 PM
Finished wheel hubs with the exception of the wheel studs and the keyways. Making fixture to drill the holes for the studs. We want to keep the 5 on 4.5 bolt pattern so we can make more hubs in the future.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_003.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=003.jpg)

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_001.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=001.jpg)



Front and back views of hubs shown above

Those are some pretty wide rims right there!

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_004.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=004.jpg)

NOW! Considering my options on the fenders think I might cut down the center and insert some sheet metal to bring them out to cover the center of the tire.  I would like some opinions on what gas to use with the mig A friend recommended co2 any opinions or hints on this would be appreciated obviously gonna practice on some scrap sheet metal first. Welding rig came with the the regulator but no tank
I can't afford to buy both an argon and a co2 tank. What is the most versatile gas?http://
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on July 04, 2009, 06:43:12 PM
Aw cummon guys somebodys gotta have an opinion on which gas is best! Anway worked on finishing weight box / weight bar assembly photos below.....


(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_007.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=007.jpg)

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_009.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=009.jpg)

I used an ammo box ( 50cal ) and a piece of 1/8" x 1 1/4" flat bar ( filled up the indentation in the bottom of the box to give a more positive mounting area ). I drilled holes in the box ( inserted 5/16" washers between the box and the bar for shims ) drilled holes in the bar and tapped for 6/32 screws to hold the bar in place, drilled 17/64" holes in square tube and tapped.Used to mount the box to the square tube.


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Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Rooster on July 04, 2009, 10:13:53 PM
OK, if no one else will help,lol, I'm not by any means a welder,  about 15 years ago I worked filling welding bottles, can't remember what it is called but we sold mostly an argon co2 mix...pretty much what most guys use I think. I use FlyingB's mig alot and pretty sure thats what he uses.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: swmoracer on July 05, 2009, 08:45:01 AM
In my MIG that I have at the house I run argon and carbon dioxide mixed .They are mixed25 and 75% in one bottle.Any welding shop sould be able to tell you what you need.I get my bottle filled at Praxair dont know if there are any of those where you are but I am sure they would be able to help you out.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on July 05, 2009, 09:20:53 AM
Thanks guys appreciate your replies, One of the next projects that I wan't to get done is to machine the shifter pattern for the peerless 2300 out of some diamond plate. Can anyone give me any help on the size of the H pattern?
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Rooster on July 05, 2009, 11:05:01 AM
That is going to depend on how long your shifter is, the longer it is the bigger the pattern.
I mark the location of the edges of your plate on the mower, then install shifter and measure to each position by shifting through the gears.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on July 05, 2009, 11:29:38 AM
That makes sense, thanks for the input!
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on July 12, 2009, 05:13:28 PM
We finished our fixture for drilling the wheel studs in our hubs and started to build a 6 ton press for the shop, since we don't have one. had the bottle jack, bought the steel at the scrap yard for about $10.00
it's gonna be a bit small only about 10" of travel, but making it for the benchtop so it should be sufficient for our needs. We still need to buy some channel iron, angle iron, a couple of springs, and some hardware. The project should come in at about $30.00 I hope. Cheaper than buying one. Probably not cheaper than having them pressed in but will have a press for other projects. Anyway more welding practice!


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(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_PICT0880.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=PICT0880.jpg)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on July 13, 2009, 09:26:47 PM
Scored today, went to the junk yard today bought the rest of the steel for the press, but I found a set of fenders identical to the ones I have, also found a gas tank from the same mower, they were both free, now I have a set to experiment with, gonna widen the whole fender thing to better fit the tires.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on July 14, 2009, 09:06:37 PM
My tires arrived today couldn't wait to put them in place and take a picture!


(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_PICT0885.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=PICT0885.jpg)

gonna be some serious sheetmetal work to do on the fenders, got an extra set of fenders so I have two chances at it anyway.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_PICT0887.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=PICT0887.jpg)

gonna get the recommended gas next week, thanks guys, any sheetmetal welding tips gentlemen. I have to do a lot before i'm there. First the press and the wheel hubs ya know. Anyway stoked on how it's gonna look. I just hope it's gonna pull!
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: outlawmower on July 15, 2009, 08:19:11 AM
We finished our fixture for drilling the wheel studs in our hubs and started to build a 6 ton press for the shop, since we don't have one. had the bottle jack, bought the steel at the scrap yard for about $10.00
it's gonna be a bit small only about 10" of travel, but making it for the benchtop so it should be sufficient for our needs. We still need to buy some channel iron, angle iron, a couple of springs, and some hardware. The project should come in at about $30.00 I hope. Cheaper than buying one. Probably not cheaper than having them pressed in but will have a press for other projects. Anyway more welding practice!


(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_PICT0882.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=PICT0882.jpg)

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_PICT0880.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=PICT0880.jpg)

On that first picture are those your hubs with thee allen screw in them? If so, I don't know if those will hold together under a ton of stress.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on July 15, 2009, 09:34:32 AM
On that first picture are those your hubs with thee allen screw in them? If so, I don't know if those will hold together under a ton of stress.

Still gonna weld those. Not planning to weld the circumference but four solid tacks opposite the bolts. The hex cap screws that we used are harder than grade eight bolts. Still you are right, likely wouldn't be strong enough if the thing actually hooks up and pulls.

Worked a bit on the fenders today, not a lot, but cut them in half and gave some thought to what i'm going to do, photos below.



(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_PICT0891.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=PICT0891.jpg)

first gonna add 8" of sheet metal to widen fender assembly
sorry they are sitting on there a little crooked looks a bit odd don't it.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_PICT0892.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=PICT0892.jpg)

second gonna finish off front part of fender assembly to lower seat into fender assembly to original height.


(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_PICT0893.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=PICT0893.jpg)

i'm going to make the new center piece of the fender assembly easily removable to get to the pulley and what not. Can anybody recommend a place to get a compact type seat, looked all over for one not happy with any so far, leaning towards a cart seat but my goodness the ones I found are quite pricey. I've seen one on here that i like but can't remember where.

http://www.jackssmallengines.com/gokartseat.cfm (http://www.jackssmallengines.com/gokartseat.cfm).
 

Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on July 18, 2009, 08:22:13 PM
Welded up my press today and got it primered, still don't have the mig down but it's getting better. Paint tomorrow. I'm hopimg to finish the hubs this week, and get the transaxle and tires mounted.


(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_PICT0008.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=PICT0008.jpg)

Think I found a seat that will work for me. Thanks  DoNoHo

http://www.cometkartsales.com/store/seats/seats1.htm (http://www.cometkartsales.com/store/seats/seats1.htm)

I think im gonna go with the sprint layback seat  and not tip it back so much. have to get the tires mounted and see how much room there's actually going to be. Afraid it's gonna be a tight fit. I might have to go on a crash diet, so that I can fit in a smaller seat. I just don't wanna sit on top of the fenders.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: FlatheadPuller on July 19, 2009, 07:31:14 PM
My only suggestion GT from my years of pulling. You might want to rethink your sitting down between the fenders in a seat like you stated. You need to be able to move side to side to steer the tractor when the front end is up or light. You have to shift your weight side to side when pulling. As the ground speed increases the faster you need to move. You never know when is going to get out of hand and you need to slide your rear all the way to one side to get the tractor to straighten out. You never want the front end to stay down planted and expect to steer with the front axle. If you get it weighted correctly your steering wont respond like you think. If the tractor is going to the left you need to shift you weight to the left. If its going to the right shift your weight to the right. Look at alot of tractor pictures before you mount the seat down low. Most seats are level with or just above the fenders. I had a normal gt seat on my cub but there was many time I was almost completly off of it to one side.

Dennis
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Hitch on July 19, 2009, 07:55:33 PM
Tractor Supply has some good tractor seats.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on July 19, 2009, 08:34:34 PM
Thanks guys I was getting more into how its gonna look than how its gonna work still wanna get the seat down a bit into the fenders, not too far now, top of seat same height as fenders maybe, and will use a regular garden tractor seat. Had one chosen from Tractor supply before my detour into cart seats, i'm going to check it out tomorrow. Saves some money too, better spent on something else. Thanks again guys for all of your input and suggestions I appreciate it.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on July 22, 2009, 07:50:51 PM
Finished drilling out holes in wheel hubs for the wheel studs. Used my pattern started with #19 bit then 3/16" progressively larger by 1/16" all the way to 1/2" pressed wheel studs into hub and any closer it would fit the rim. Very close but no cigar. double check the pattern tomorrow i guess. Drill pattern in a thick plate to use to make sure studs press in square dunno! One of those things! holes in rims not oversized whatsoever if i drilled 1/64" over pretty sure hub would fit but not gonna do that. I wonder if the rims are made to use 1/2" studs, are they metric? If I used 12mm studs I would have about .027 tolerance in each hole is that too much? at any rate probably gonna have to remake the hub discs. The perils of do it yourself I guess! BTW found a good seat at tractor supply, thanks gents.
:mad:
Finished  hubs minus wheel studs

(pattern in foreground)

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Finished press

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_PICT0014.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=PICT0014.jpg)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on July 23, 2009, 08:50:51 PM
Well checked my work on the drill pattern and what I found is that it is spot on as is the other hub that I drilled. The problem seems to be that studs didn't press in straight, part of the problem was that I only drilled 1/2" holes. For the wheel studs that I am using the manufacturers recommended hole size for the knurl of the wheel stud is 33/64" So the holes were 1/64" too small. Now I am going to drill the bolt pattern in a 1" steel plate, line up the wheel hub on top of the plate, and use it to keep the studs straight. Hope this works. Very little room for error.

hub with studs fits the rim perfect,


(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_PICT0015.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=PICT0015.jpg)



This is really a new post, but anyway here goes  Although the bolt pattern is good and the 1/2" studs line up still no tolerance. Found out why. I spoke to a gentleman at douglas tech support. all douglas rims drilled to work with 10mm studs,don't know what prompted me to assume they should be 1/2". Thankfully I hadn't drilled 1" plate yet. get all the facts first before ya start stressin, my lesson for the day. Live and learn! And now I have some more information. Spoke to Mike Byers at Byers tractor barn, and was told that most guys he knows do one of two things, they use 1/2" studs and drill the rim or they use 7/16" studs which are approximately 11.1125mm. I believe that I will have plenty of tolerance using the 7/16 studs,so thats what i'm a gonna do. Thats my plan and at this point i'm sticking to it.   :bash:
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: outlawmower on July 26, 2009, 03:53:53 PM
Well, It's all in a learning process I Guess....Don't worry I have some plans as well. You gave me some ideas and now I am going to be fabricating a whole new mower just like yours in the next year.

Here are my plans as follows-

K241 Kohler
4 Speed wheel Horse tranny
26x12x12 Rims/Tires

More to come on that but a ton of work to get done in order to make everything git correctly. Like custom fenders  and chopping the back half of the mower off and re-building it.

I will post some plans/ Drawings up later.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on August 04, 2009, 08:10:30 PM
Finally got back to it, finished plate pattern and redid both hub plates, drilled for 7/16" studs and pressed them in, came out great only have to drill holes in the other hub plate but pattern that i have allows for repeatable success finally happy with the results, local machine shop is gonna cut the keyways.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_PICT0019.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=PICT0019.jpg)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Big daddy on August 05, 2009, 04:26:47 AM
Flathead puller is right. If you put the seat between the rear wheels instead of on top then you will loose some ability to control the tractor. Also remember this, the wider you set the rear wheels apart the more it will want to get out of control. The narrow set rear end is much easier to control than the wide set.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on August 05, 2009, 07:32:23 PM
Drilled the holes and pressed the studs in the other hub today bolt pattern came out great, however a couple of the studs are loose in the hole. I drilled the original holes 1 drill size over the recommended size because it seemed to be too small. Next set I will try the recommended drill size. Just gonna put a small tack weld on each stud this time and give it a shot. Other than that very happy with the result. A friend gave me a couple of old tractors today. A murray and an old sears gt 18. It has an 18 hp Onan twin on it haven't looked at the transaxle yet probably scrap most of it except motor and transaxle and rear rims. The Murray i'm gonna save and decide what to do with it later. I am going to try to get the keyways cut in the next few days. Seems like it's been a lifetime spent on the hubs but guess thats how it goes sometimes.

FREE STUFF IS GREAT!
(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_PICT0024.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=PICT0024.jpg)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on September 21, 2009, 07:36:49 PM
I have been without a camera for quite some time and busy on other things. I'm finally back on track I hope, to finish some things on the tractor. I finally had the keyways cut last week in the hubs. Primered them today to prevent any rust from forming while I finish. I also mounted the transaxle back into the frame the other day and mounted the wheels to the hubs on the transaxle to mock things up and check for fit.. I am happy with the rear height compared with the front and measured the hitch height. I permanantely mounted my hitch plate to the original rear plate of the tractor today. I am going to add a couple of pieces of steel plate to spread out the force on the mounting bolts. Hopefully have the thing rolling tomorrow pretty darned close now. Pix. below hopefully a few more tomorrow.

Wheel hubs and brake disc/hub


(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0007.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0007.jpg)

back plate

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0009.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0009.jpg)

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0008.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0008.jpg)







Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on September 22, 2009, 06:01:21 PM
I added a couple of pieces of flat bar to the back plate of the tractor, to distribute the pulling force to a larger surface area.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0012.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0012.jpg)

Finished machining the panel that had the original shifter pattern in it, to accomodate the new shifter,and reinstalled the panel.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0010.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0010.jpg)

everything all mounted up ready for tires and wheels

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0013.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0013.jpg)

How long has it been. Not sure but here it finally is     A ROLLING CHASSIS    can hardly believe it!

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0020.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0020.jpg)

another view

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0016.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0016.jpg)




Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on September 24, 2009, 07:10:43 PM
Next case: fenders and the seat

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0024.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0024.jpg)

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0023.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0023.jpg)

basic idea anyway. The seat will be raised up almost flush with fender height. Not sure how to do this, plan to make pattern out of poster board to figure out the sheet metal pieces. I guess that I will weld the sheet metal pieces together. Never done it ought to be interesting.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: outlawmower on September 25, 2009, 07:47:40 PM
When welding a thinner piece of sheet metal be sure to use a gas bottle on a MIG otherwise you are going to burn straight through the metal. Been there, done that...
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on October 02, 2009, 08:55:03 PM
Worked on the fenders the last couple of days. Progress so far.....


cut original fenders into two pieces

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0039.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0039.jpg)


next need cutout for shifter.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0043.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0043.jpg)


stiffener for fender before shifter cutout

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0044.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0044.jpg)

More progress hopefully tomorrow.......
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on October 04, 2009, 10:37:50 AM
More work yesterday. Cut more on the fenders, machined the cut out for the shifter, needs a bit more for better clearance. But anyway here's a picture.


(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0046.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0046.jpg)

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0047.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0047.jpg)

The above picture shows the basic idea of the end result. I need to flare the two fender pieces into each other. I have a couple of ideas on doing this but have never done anything like this, or welded sheetmetal, so any and all opinions are very welcome as its my first time for this type of sheetmetal work. BTW. finally got a tank of gas the other day.

Thanks..    GT
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: freakboy on October 04, 2009, 10:47:07 AM
looks good!
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: jerb on October 04, 2009, 10:49:17 AM
nice build,
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on October 04, 2009, 11:00:56 AM
THANKS GUYS. Seems like its taking a long time but I guess thats the way it is. A lot of details.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on October 08, 2009, 08:56:41 PM
I got little bit done today, mostly sat there and stared at it. Pix below
I'm just keepin track of what i'm doing thats all.

Set final width of the fenders.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0051.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0051.jpg)


Laid out for cuts in the fenders.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0050.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0050.jpg)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on October 09, 2009, 07:13:54 PM
Massaged the fenders a bit more today. I'm getting close to fitting the two fender pieces together.
I wish that I would have changed the angle of the bend that I made in the fender piece shown in the
picture below. Did'nt end up fitting quite where I wanted it to with the other fender piece. I guess a little extra massaging will be in order!


(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0054.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0054.jpg)

ALL YOU PULLERS OUT THERE:

Before I get too far into this should I incorporate some sort of weight box underneath the seat, so that I can add weight if needed.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: FlatheadPuller on October 09, 2009, 07:49:00 PM
YES!!

Check on ebay for the seat boxes that are sold on there to get an idea of whats availible. Also Nicholsperformance-online.com sells some real nice stuff. Seat boxes, seat lids, wieght racks for the belly and front, seat grab handles. They have alot of nice billet stuff. Including there own fenders if yours aren't coming out the way you like them.

Dennis
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on October 10, 2009, 07:45:02 PM
Thanks Dennis, great site. I will end up making my own but good to see whats out there. Worked more on my fenders today much closer now. bunches of pix below. Starting to piece it together but still have to finish the flare at the bottom of the fender, plus all of the new metalwork to tie it all together. I hope to start welding soon.


(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0057.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0057.jpg)

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0058.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0058.jpg)




(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0059.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0059.jpg)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on October 12, 2009, 03:44:59 PM
And yet more cutting

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0063.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0063.jpg)

Pattern to check that the other side ends up being the same

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0062.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0062.jpg)

Both sides ended up like this, happy with the fit so far. The next step I really only get one chance at. That is to bend the corner fender piece into the other fender part. There is a little more cutting required to accomplish this. . So I measured the angle between the surfaces of the green fender piece it measured 120 degrees, subtracting 90 degrees leaves 30 degrees so If I make the bend 30 degrees above the line on the fender should be correct?


(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0064.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0064.jpg)


Went for it turned out ok not a perfect fit but it should managable, and both sides came out pretty close to the same.
Still a bit of massaging but getting close.....


(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0067.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0067.jpg)


(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0068.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0068.jpg)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on October 16, 2009, 08:54:28 PM
Welding practice not really going too well, Not sure when I will start on the real thing,   :bash: :doh:
You guys have probably been here but how is it that you can go from a perfect little weld to a puddle of !!!! all in a matter of seconds. More practice tomorrow I guess. On a more serious note are there any tricks to make the seam you are welding easier to see? Part of my problem is not being able to weld on the seam. Soapstone mark perhaps? Thank you for allowing me to vent I feel better already. Need to grow some patience.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Rooster on October 16, 2009, 11:26:01 PM
If you cant see what you are welding you may need a lighter lens.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: jerb on October 17, 2009, 01:00:00 AM
and when welding thin sheetmetal, especially with a mig welder (wire feed) use multiple tack welds versus a continous bead, much easier if your just learning, the only real good way to weld thin sheetmetal is with a tig welder, and as rooster says, a lighter lens, and a clean one at that will help, lots of guys like a shade 10 for mig welding, easy to see and safe on lighter duty welding, start cranking up the welder and use a shade 11 or even 12, welder burning your eyes is something i don't wish upon nobody, been there and done that, and it really hurts!!
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on October 17, 2009, 07:32:17 AM
Thanks Gents Not sure what I have its autodarkening but definately check into it, thanks again I appreciate the comments and the advice.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Rooster on October 17, 2009, 10:49:10 AM
most of the auto darkening units are adjustable. Like Jerb said, dont get it too light though.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Wheelhorseracer on October 17, 2009, 05:46:41 PM
When i was learning to weld I really hated thin bodymetal.  I still use a series of spots made up to make the bead, then grind it.

Nothing worse than wasting your wire on a burned hole.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on October 17, 2009, 09:35:09 PM
Welding 16 guage so not horribly thin. Not really havin a problem blowin holes in the sheetmetal. I guess in reality i'm not doing that bad for a beginner, problem is i'm a perfectionist and don't have a lot of patience, if i don't think it is perfect at least in my mind then i'm not happy with it. Guess that's something that I need to work on. Checked the mask it is adjustable and was set between 10 and 11,turned it down a bit but didn't get a chance to use it today, plum forgot that little detail! Thanks guys for your comments and support. Guess its time to suck it up.  :D
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Rooster on October 17, 2009, 11:07:16 PM
Practice....Have any junk ca parts, get a piece of a body panel, cut and weld on it for a bit, then your 16 ga will seem like a snap!
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on October 23, 2009, 05:33:37 PM
Been givin some thought to the weight box and came up with the concept shown in the picture below. I'm gonna mount weights to the threaded rod as needed, should be a good way to mount them, and lower center of gravity, think it's better than the weight box ideas that I have seen. I also started the mount for my brake caliper today should have time over the weekend to finish it. I'm still thinking about the best way to approach my sheet metal project, but getting a lot closer to getting started.


Here's the picture.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0076.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0076.jpg)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on October 28, 2009, 08:02:31 PM
Finished the brake caliper mounting bracket today. Pix below. I also bought a magnifying lens for my welding helmet, i'm gonna try it tomorrow.


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gonna use nylon lock nuts on brake caliper mounting bolts, on final assembly.

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Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on November 05, 2009, 05:22:16 PM
Mounted brake master cylinder today. My pops made a couple of spacers on the lathe, picture below

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Working on my wheelie bar design, I want to use rod ends and tube adapters to make the height of the wheels adjustable
have any of you guys done this or seen it done like this? Basically a "top link". Yes I will get to the fenders soon.


http://secure.chassisshop.com/categories/5926/ (http://secure.chassisshop.com/categories/5926/)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: outlawmower on November 05, 2009, 05:35:18 PM
Looking good! Are you going to run Steel Brake lines from the Master Cylinder to the Caliper?

Also, As far as a wheelie bar goes, check your local rules as well. Some rules will state that the bars will have to be set at a certain height.

Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on November 05, 2009, 08:11:09 PM
Stainless lines yes. Yeah have the rules in front of me. Rules state 5" max, wanna be able to adjust height to meet the rule for different tire pressures, weight, etc. I don't really know, how critical is it, I'm assuming if the tractor is set up right it's gonna go up on the wheelie bar. How does the height of the wheelie bar effect weight transfer?
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: FlatheadPuller on November 05, 2009, 08:32:20 PM
You never really want it on the wheelie bars. Your goal is to have the front tires light on the ground or just bouncing. A perfect setup would be bounce a couple times and hang two inches off the ground the majority of the pull. I would set them a half inch inside the rules for height and length from center of axle to rear of wheelie wheel or what ever the rule states and leave them alone. In my years of pulling I have never tuned with wheelie bars. You'll put more power to the ground with the front end 2 inches off the ground then you will running on the wheelie bars.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on November 05, 2009, 08:41:29 PM
I know it shouldn't stay up on the bar, but can you expect it to get up on the bar initially befor it settles down or ideally should it never get up on the bar. If it gets too high it will tend to unload the rear and lose traction and foreward momentum yeah?
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: outlawmower on November 05, 2009, 08:53:15 PM
You never really want it on the wheelie bars. Your goal is to have the front tires light on the ground or just bouncing. A perfect setup would be bounce a couple times and hang two inches off the ground the majority of the pull. I would set them a half inch inside the rules for height and length from center of axle to rear of wheelie wheel or what ever the rule states and leave them alone. In my years of pulling I have never tuned with wheelie bars. You'll put more power to the ground with the front end 2 inches off the ground then you will running on the wheelie bars.

X2, Follow this and you will be ok!
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on January 31, 2010, 02:20:25 PM
Wow it's been an extremely long time. What started as a simple roof leak and damaged drywall in the ceiling of the living room turned into a rewire of a good portion of the electrical wiring, a remodel of the kitchen and the construction of an entertainment center using oak from a tree we had cut down in the front yard last spring, along with oak veneer plywood. All of the work has been done by my dad and me so needless to say time and money to work on the tractor has been short. Our remodel  project is still a ways from being finished but in the next couple of weeks I hope to get back to the shop and make some progress on the tractor. Thanks guys for the interest you have shown in my tractor project. I'm looking foreward to getting back at it.

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Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on March 04, 2010, 09:27:03 PM
nice day today, made it to the shop and  tacked the fenders together, they fit together pretty well, still finishing our remodel project but finally getting back to it. hope to keep going now.

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Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on March 06, 2010, 09:00:20 PM
More progress today tacked together as one piece now. I'm feelin better about the welding all the time, far from where i need to be! It has come out square so far but lots more work left,  pix below of the progress so far.

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Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on March 09, 2010, 06:03:18 PM
More pix of todays progress below didn't make a lot of progress but the fenders are coming out square. I'm not sure yet if I will do the final welding or if a pro will get the nod. Time will tell .

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Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on March 10, 2010, 09:08:00 PM
More welding today. Mounted the fenders up finally to check the fit, they sit a bit higher than I wanted but not too bad. Much more work left to do on them. Haven't ever weighed this thing yet, hope i don't have a stroke when i do. Planning on doing it when the fenders are done. This whole assembly will weigh quite a bit but want to maintain original craftsman look.

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Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on May 19, 2010, 10:22:48 PM
Been workin on fenders last couple of days got a good start on the flares  weldin goin ok but a lot of grinding maybe by the time this is finished, I won't be grinding so much!!!!!

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not sure how to finish weldin this up. Thinkin I might have to cut a bit out and weld in a rounded piece, or do you guys think a filler piece welded in the back would be just as good and easier? Anyway I have a feeling this is gonna take HOURS!!!!!
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: outlawmower on May 20, 2010, 03:40:52 PM
Take a filler plate and tac weld it in the back. Make sure it will stick with all the use and vibarations. Then use BONDO to make it smooth.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on May 20, 2010, 09:00:53 PM
cool, thanks outlaw, was leaning towards that. Will do!! I used a grinding stone in my die grinder to grind the welds on the flares but probably a better/smoother way. Can anyone reveal any tricks of the trade? What kind of abrasive disc would be most effective/ what grit.......technique? Is the abrasive disc even the way to go?
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: tjbryner on May 21, 2010, 04:49:34 AM
If your having problems with weld going thrru your splice points
Take a hunk of copper pipe that is about 6" long. Flatten one end out (about 1 1/2") and bend it to about 45 degree angle. Hold it on the back of were your welding tight. The weld won't stick to it and also keeps the weld from going thru and keeps the weld some what flat on the back side.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: outlawmower on May 21, 2010, 06:20:39 PM
cool, thanks outlaw, was leaning towards that. Will do!! I used a grinding stone in my die grinder to grind the welds on the flares but probably a better/smoother way. Can anyone reveal any tricks of the trade? What kind of abrasive disc would be most effective/ what grit.......technique? Is the abrasive disc even the way to go?

A sanding disc with a rough grit will or should do fine. I use that with a right angle grinder and usually the amount of pressure you put on it determines how much it will cut.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on May 21, 2010, 07:39:02 PM
Yes I bought a right angle die grinder and a 3" sanding disc earlier today, used 36 Grit. Works great I did some more welding and grinding and  haven' t managed to completely destroy anything yet.  Warped the panels a little bit, but a little bit of hammering straightened things right out. Still more to do on this part of the fenders rough still. The back side needs a bit more welding. It's mostly done though. More pounding, welding, grinding tomorrow. Things look rougher in the photo, than they really are, but still not that smooth, I guess a little BONDO is in my future.


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Already learned more than a couple of things not to do and believe it or not my welds are getting better and more consistent. Hoping the other side will be better!!!!!
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: outlawmower on May 23, 2010, 10:33:50 AM
Looks good, BONDO Won't hurt anything. I had to use plenty of that when fixing my panels on the Wheel Horse. It's good experience as well.

Overall, Looking great! Can't wait to see the finished product!
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on May 23, 2010, 05:53:24 PM
Thanks man! I worked on the other side today it went better and faster. I found there were some spots from my work yesterday where the weld didn't penetrate through, touched them up, wish I could turn the heat up on the welder just a little bit. Straightened things up a little more, Looks better. It seems like the trick to all of this is to "work it" weld. grind, pound and repeat the whole process till you are happy with the results. A bit afraid of working things too much I dont want to grind through it, make the metal weak or end up making it thin. So that begs the question when is enough enough!!!!  


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Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on May 30, 2010, 08:32:07 PM
more progress, goin slow, tryin to get it together. Welding is certainly an art!  Read that on here this week somewhere!!!!

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I'm a little worried about the bondo crackin on me. I'm gonna put a stiffener on the inside of the fenders across the front. Wthout it they will twist a lot. What do you guys think the best bondo is. Ie the strongest/hardest. I'ts just gonna be a skim coat not very thick but probably a good sized area on the inside and outside of the fenders. Anybody have a favorite...... fiberglass filler versus plastic?
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: tjbryner on May 31, 2010, 04:48:12 AM
Rage Gold Extreme, chroma-lite,or  z-grip...all work nearly identically with the last two being slightly cheaper.

but if you need strength I'd go with tigers hair then a skim coat with one of the ones up top.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on June 02, 2010, 08:18:26 PM
More progress not too happy with the results so far but getting better!

If everything looked like this I would be happy finally think I have the wire feed and heat right still need to work on consistency.

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My dad made the wheelie bar wheels for me. They came out good I think!

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http://www.autobodytoolmart.com/fiberglass-fillers-c-612.aspx (http://www.autobodytoolmart.com/fiberglass-fillers-c-612.aspx)

Did a little research on the tiger hair fiberglass filler, found this website it has a lot of choices



Rage Gold Extreme, chroma-lite,or  z-grip...all work nearly identically with the last two being slightly cheaper.

but if you need strength I'd go with tigers hair then a skim coat with one of the ones up top.
Thanks much for the advice
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on June 12, 2010, 09:03:51 PM
Getting closer to finishing the fenders. welded stiffener and backing plate on inside of the fender flare not beautiful but functional a little fiberglass probably be ok pix below.


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Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on July 04, 2010, 05:19:37 PM
Finished up some small welds today tacked in the stiffener. Once this is welded a bit more, it's on to the fiberglass. I ended up getting a gallon of the evercoat, everglass. I hope it works the way it's reported to work!

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Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on August 29, 2010, 06:21:36 PM
Finally found some time to work a bit on the tractor. Worked on the fender mounting brackets / assembly. This will bolt to the fenders and the steel plate that is mounted on the back of the tractor. At some point i am going to have to cut about an inch off of the plate to finish it up.

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Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on August 31, 2010, 10:42:57 PM
mounted fender mounting assembly today I'm probably post happy again but im just happy to have accomplished anything on the tractor, hope to finish up tomorrow with this task. Been givin a little thought to the driveline think i may, for now use a motorcycle clutch, and modify it to work with a right angle gear box and the peerless transaxle. Don't know if it has been tried before but in theory it should work! just have to figure out what clutch from what motorcycle to use. I found a clutch from a yamaha XT250 on ebay may give it a try. This build seems far from the norm, so why not!!!


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Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on September 04, 2010, 08:19:16 AM
I purchased a Honda rebel 250 clutch from a salvage yard yesterday. I found belts and pulleys that will work great hopefully they will be affordable!!!! Now I need to figure out the pulley ratio between the motor and clutch/right angle gear box assembly. I have a couple of ratio calculators just not sure if I want simply 1:1 for this or if I should reduce the engine rpm to the clutch/gearbox,and by how much what do you guys think??? The final drive ratio will be between the output of the RAGB and the transaxle. That's a discussion for another day.

Belts and pulleys

http://cptbelts.com (http://cptbelts.com)

Finally mounted the fenders today!!!!!

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Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on September 05, 2010, 08:19:52 PM
I worked today on my "seat" back design got the idea from the nichols website gonna incorporate my fire extinguisher mount into it,This will all be made out of aluminum. Also started on my wheelie bar mounting, cut some pieces to the general length that I need. Hopefully I will make more progress tomorrow. I also worked on laying the inner fender pieces out, they will also be made out of aluminum. Started a lot of things today, I hope they come together faster than the fenders did!!!! Still haven't even finished them!

 :doh:

Lotsa work these here little projects   8)

nicholsperformance-online.com (http://nicholsperformance-online.com)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: philr85 on September 05, 2010, 09:45:27 PM
looks sweet so far man makes me want to build one
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on September 14, 2010, 08:11:50 PM
I've almost finished my seat back / fire extinguisher mounting brackets, more pieces to make this is how it looks so far.

It's 1/4" aluminum

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Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on September 16, 2010, 08:10:23 PM
More progress today The fire extinguisher is going to mount to the diamond plate.


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Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on September 19, 2010, 04:37:25 PM
Finished fabricating seat back / fire extinguisher mount, machined out portion of diamond plate for fire extinguisher bracket. Started laying out the wheelie bars. I made a little fixture for the wheelie bar wheels and set the height at 4 1/4" max allowable is 5". This should make it easier to get the measurements of the pieces that i need to cut.

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Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on October 03, 2010, 06:32:45 PM
no pix yet but drew up my wheelie bar design last week and cut all the parts today to fab them up. They are going to be a bit heavy bout 17 pounds each, Using 1" round bar probably get by with less. While I had the scale in the garage couldnt resist I weighed each wheel not sure how accurate this is by using only one scale, but 145 each back wheel and 85 each front wheel. Wheelie bars 34 pounds! Thats 494 pounds so far. Building for 1150# class so probably good


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here's a pix from the drag races last weekend
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on October 08, 2010, 10:14:07 PM
Worked on pieces for wheelie bars tonight. Machined a flat face on opposite sides of the bar and my pops chamfered the ends, Didn't get all the faces on the bars parallel to each other. Doesn't matter that much for this, have to refine my setup next time !!!
The next process is to machine a 3/16" slot down the middle of the flat face  through the bar. Waiting on an end mill!

Setup

BTW: Machining tips always appreciated!


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Machined parts

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Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on October 09, 2010, 10:19:12 PM
Refined my machining process and straightened up a couple of the bars from yesterday. Mounted up my brake light, modified the bracket I made a lifetime ago.

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Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on October 12, 2010, 05:52:19 PM
working on the wheelie bars, machined sharp corners off of steel angle and mounted to my steel plate, measured flat bar and drilled the "axle" hole, had the local fab shop bend them for me. Everything is 3/16" steel. The brackets form the basis for mounting my steel bars to the steel angle. Just waiting for my end mill to finish machining the steel bars!

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Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on October 14, 2010, 07:28:02 PM
Did the cutting on the wheelie brackets and tacked it all together, don't have a stick welder so will have to take them to a welding shop. Need them strong and clean anyway!

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Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Squidd on October 14, 2010, 07:35:39 PM
What are you using for wheels...?
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on October 14, 2010, 07:41:41 PM
What are you using for wheels...?

They are big 2" wide  my pops machined them on our lathe, they have bearing inserts on them. rules allowed them to be 1" but we made them 2". 4" diameter.

Tim Johnson
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Squidd on October 14, 2010, 07:52:04 PM
Ahh...I thought 1" wide they looked short, but if they are 2" then 4" makes sense.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on October 21, 2010, 06:58:16 PM
picked up my brackets from the welder yesterday was just 20 bucks, very happy with them. I spent a bit of time grinding down the welds last night and finished tonight. Now on to the next process. Just waiting on a collet for my mill.

 
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Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on October 23, 2010, 06:44:33 PM
worked on the fenders again today fitted and welded another piece also finally broke out the evercoat body filler, stuff works great.

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Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on October 26, 2010, 08:39:39 PM
I finished the first the coat of fiberglass filler on my fenders tonight, outside and inside. I'm happy so far. I'm going to finish things off with a lightweight body filler. I'm still waiting on mill parts, then I can finish my wheelie bars. Next is to modify the shifter to work with the hole in the fenders. I probably will have to make the hole bigger.



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Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Squidd on October 30, 2010, 06:29:00 AM
Coming out nice...

...lotsa work these here little projects...   
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on October 30, 2010, 11:38:13 AM
Thankyou Randy. It's just taking way longer to do than i ever imagined it would. I guess its extra work because it so far from the norm.  Who knows what will happen, It's hard to say at this point. I am enjoying it and improving skills. That was the goal when I started. So whatever happens, in the end I will be happy.

Thanks

Tim Johnson
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on October 31, 2010, 07:24:57 PM
Just a little touch up filler left and finish sanding than ready for primer whew!!!

inner fender and shifter cutout stilll to go......


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Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on November 01, 2010, 09:00:21 PM
Basically finished the fenders today, a little bit of sanding and spot filler to do before paint. Only took a few months to do!!!!


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I'm going to remount them tomorrow and work on finishing the shifter.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: nic_hayes on November 01, 2010, 09:06:23 PM
no pix yet but drew up my wheelie bar design last week and cut all the parts today to fab them up. They are going to be a bit heavy bout 17 pounds each, Using 1" round bar probably get by with less. While I had the scale in the garage couldnt resist I weighed each wheel not sure how accurate this is by using only one scale, but 145 each back wheel and 85 each front wheel. Wheelie bars 34 pounds! Thats 494 pounds so far. Building for 1150# class so probably good


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here's a pix from the drag races last weekend


Ahh, another drag racing fan, here is one I took a couple weeks ago, (http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r251/nic_hayes/th_P7030442.jpg) (http://s146.photobucket.com/albums/r251/nic_hayes/?action=view&current=P7030442.jpg)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on November 03, 2010, 08:07:36 PM
worked on my shifter today bent the new extension rod, my pops made the coupler on the lathe. I drilled and tapped the holes and drilled an indentation into the new rod for the set screw. I ended up tack welding the coupler to the original shifter piece. The shaft was so hard couldnt drill a hole in it for the set screw to fit. Had to buy a diamond cutting wheel for my dremel and cut a slot in it, it still wanted to move so i tacked it.

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Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on November 05, 2010, 05:16:45 PM
Worked on the piece for the shifter pattern. Made a "pattern" out of poster board, transferred this to a piece of diamond plate with spray paint, and machined it. It came out well but I still have to drill the mounting holes and round it a bit to fit the contour of the fenders. I'm not sure how that im gonna accomplish this. I have an idea but what do you guys think?


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Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on November 06, 2010, 05:42:30 PM
cut slots in my round bar for my wheelie bars. I had one more pass with the 3/16" end mill before I was gonna pull it to get it sharpened. Snapped the durned thing off. I Guess it was duller than I thought.


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Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on November 10, 2010, 08:18:59 PM
Made a pattern for my inner fender wells today while waiting for my endmill, I will hopefully get them fabbed up the next couple of days, and bolted in.


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Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Squidd on November 12, 2010, 08:34:59 AM
... It came out well but I still have to drill the mounting holes and round it a bit to fit the contour of the fenders. I'm not sure how that im gonna accomplish this. I have an idea but what do you guys think?

Sand bag and soft mallet...
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on November 12, 2010, 09:56:08 AM
Sand bag and soft mallet...

Thats a great idea I never thought of that seems like it would work great!

Thanks Randy
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on November 20, 2010, 09:51:19 PM
Finally made a little progress on the wheelie bars, finished most of the slots, have a couple more to do, finish them up when I get the measurement on them.. pix of progress below.

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I picked up the inner fenders yesterday. They did an excellent job. I have had all of my sheet metal bent and cut for the fenders by an air conditioning company. The owner is a good friend of my pops. All of it has been no charge so they definately have some free advertising comin their way.

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I hope to make some more progress tomorrow
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on November 23, 2010, 07:27:59 PM
Tacked the wheelie bars together today. I'm pretty happy with the way that they came out. I just have one small issue, one wheel is about 3/16" higher. Its fixable but how important is it that they are exactly the same it's not a 6 sec prostock car, and it is in dirt!

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Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: FlatheadPuller on November 23, 2010, 07:31:27 PM
Tim I dont think anyone will point it out to you. I wont hurt it. But if you want it perfect then go ahead. I have a spot on my tube chassis that is off alittle. Cant see it. Have to measure it. And I built my chassis on a steel plate just to keep it straight.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on November 23, 2010, 07:38:02 PM
Tim I dont think anyone will point it out to you. I wont hurt it. But if you want it perfect then go ahead. I have a spot on my tube chassis that is off alittle. Cant see it. Have to measure it. And I built my chassis on a steel plate just to keep it straight.

Thanks Dennis. I'm pretty picky but It meets all of the rules so I think I will leave it this time. Probably spent enough time on it.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on November 24, 2010, 08:22:35 PM

I trimmed and mounted the inner fenders today. I am much closer to finishing fabrication on the back half of the tractor. It looks much different than it did a couple of days ago anyway.

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Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: mtd#7 on November 25, 2010, 10:08:17 PM
Tacked the wheelie bars together today. I'm pretty happy with the way that they came out. I just have one small issue, one wheel is about 3/16" higher. Its fixable but how important is it that they are exactly the same it's not a 6 sec prostock car, and it is in dirt!

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Those wheelie bars are really sweet!!! and all i can say is this is going to be one cool looking pulling machine!!!
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on November 25, 2010, 11:08:58 PM
Those wheelie bars are really sweet!!! and all i can say is this is going to be one cool looking pulling machine!!!

Thank you for the positive feed back it's certainly going slow but I am enjoying the project. I worked a bit on sourcing wiring components today and drew a schematic/ block diagram I included a headlight circuit probably never use it but its there anyway.

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The schematic as drawn includes the wiring for the stock ignition coil. Still considering other options. May also add leds for fuel pump switch and ignition switch as well as a voltmeter. Have yet to decide on what size battery to use.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 01, 2010, 12:18:30 AM
Against conventional wisdom and good advice i am going to proceed with the right angle gear box/ motorcycle clutch, kohler verticle shaft OHV motor Drive train for this project. I'm sure there are numerous reasons not to do it but darned if I can think of any!!!!! First thing I'm gonna fab up a plate for the gear box, incorporate a bit of chassis reinforcement with this and mount a weight bar in front of the rear tires. I'm going to make this as an assembly that will be removable.

Gonna try draw this up today
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Squidd on December 01, 2010, 12:51:53 AM
I think unique and one off are cool and I don't want to discourage you from thinking out of the box and doing your own thing and all that.....but

From what I can gather, this tractor pulling can be hard on parts....if your actually going to be using this thing and it's "too" unique...will a minor breakdown require major rebuilding if you can't get replacement parts that are readily available or upgradeable..?
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 01, 2010, 09:03:30 AM
With my setup I feel that I have two options a twisted belt setup or my out of the box thinking on this. The twisted belt setup works well from what i have heard, but  I feel compelled to try this unproven design. It may very well be an exercise in futility. I am going to bolt this in and  will easily be able to modify it or remove it if it proves to be unable to hold up. Time will tell.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Squidd on December 01, 2010, 09:08:00 AM
Compared to the twisted belt...I too would go this way...

All chain drive I assume..?
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 01, 2010, 09:14:51 AM
I'm gonna use a toothed belt from the motor to the clutch, Martin timing pulleys. I am going to use a chain from RAGB to transaxle.There are many RAGB that I believe would hold up to the torque but they are cost prohibitive at this point, so I am starting with the peerless, this I think will be the weak link. As far as the clutch goes I'm sure that I will have to experiment with various springs to find the right pressure.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 01, 2010, 08:46:52 PM
 Machined some pieces of diamond plate today for mounting to the dash. One panel houses the starter switch, fuel pump switch and the ignition switch as well as indicator lamps. The other panel will get drilled for the fuel pressure guage and a voltmeter. Pix below. Since I added a lamp for the ignition switch I am gonna have to add a relay to my circuit that I drew up the other day. So normally closed contact of relay grounds coil, energize the relay with switch, lamp lights up, coil is no longer grounded.


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Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 02, 2010, 08:13:51 PM
I machined cutouts in the dash today and drilled holes to mount the diamond plate that I did yesterday. I also wired the switch panel.

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Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Squidd on December 02, 2010, 08:18:32 PM
Cool, I like the switch panel
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 02, 2010, 08:23:38 PM
Cool, I like the switch panel

Thank you Randy, I'm gonna try and mount a voltmeter and fuel pressure guage in the other panel tomorrow.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 02, 2010, 10:47:06 PM
I have shown below a block diagram of the basic idea of my driveline, as I stated before this goes against all convention however I am determined to make it work. I believe the original pulley on the transaxle was 8". It is long gone though. My question is about how many RPM should I spin the input shaft of the transaxle assuming that I will pull in 3rd gear. I have the calculator for pulley/sprocket ratios vs RPM. I am just not sure how fast to turn it.

Thanks guys

Tim Johnson

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Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Squidd on December 03, 2010, 12:35:59 AM
That's the problem with being in uncharted territory...you don't know where the heck your going... 8)

I don't know much, on account of I haven't been to the track yet either, but....

I was told I should have at least two pulling gears (3 or 4 is better) for/depending on track conditions dry/slick or moist and sticky...so I would keep 2nd in mind as well as 3rd...(you may need to change gearing "in" the 820 to bring them closer, make them both useable)...

My driveline is set up for 6500 rpm with a fairly stout motor and we're running basicly the same size tires...I'll be running either a 47.5:1 or 40.5:1 final ratio...you can do the math from there....

Why did you pick 4000 rpm for motor..? will you be running goverend ?? how "built" will this motor be...? At that rpm my guess is you may want to be in the 30s:1 final ratio, but I'll let the more experianced guys chime in...


Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 03, 2010, 07:59:59 AM
"That's the problem with being in uncharted territory...you don't know where the heck your going... "

Yes but thank goodness there are forums such as this to ask questions  8)


4000 was just a random number to work from probably goin to run closer to 4500 to 5000 RPM. Not a lot higher I know. Anyway This gives me a good idea where to go. So I will do some math and try to get a bit more of this figured. Randy the transaxle that I am using is an old cast iron peerless 2300.

Thank you
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Squidd on December 03, 2010, 08:20:48 AM
OK missed that..


Looked a few 2300's up http://www.odref.com/peerless/2300-SERIES/index.html didn't see much option for gear clusters, but there are a couple spur gear options..
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 03, 2010, 09:40:15 AM
Over the weekend I am going to try to figure the gear ratio of the transaxle don't know if I will be able to turn it or not, gonna give it a shot anyway. I havent been able to find any info online about the transaxle gear ratios, probably should have documented gears when I had it apart. Live and learn.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Squidd on December 03, 2010, 11:27:34 AM
If it rolls on the ground, mark the tire and fender and then count the number of turns on input pulley to get one rotation of tires (marks line up)

Do it in each gear and you will have ratios...but you'll probably go all the way across the garage and out the door to do so....

Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 03, 2010, 09:00:24 PM
Finished up panel for voltmeter and fuel pressure guage used the mr gasket pressure guage, I made a fitting out of aluminum bar drilled and tapped holes to mount it to the panel. Then I tapped the middle hole for 1/8" NPT threads, on both sides. It came out pretty good. Didnt quite get the tap started straight. The threads are all good the guage and the nipple are just a little crooked. Not happy about that! May redo it.

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Is the pressure guage ok where it is. My rules don't specify.

On to the driveline tomorrow.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 04, 2010, 07:13:08 PM
Redid my fuel pressure guage mount. I'm happy this time, wired up my ignition relay, added an LED so its easy to see if its working. Checked out the gear ratios. Thanks Randy for setting me straight was overthinking things as I often do. Here's what I came up with.
!st      60:1
2nd     40:1
3rd     30:1
4th     20:1

Referring to the picture below and taking into consideration the transaxle ratios would the different ratios between components ( sprockets/pullies) add together to give the final ratio?

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Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Squidd on December 04, 2010, 07:53:46 PM
They are all "multipliers" to each other...

The Motor pully to RAGB input gives you a 1.51:1 ratio (lets call it 1.5:1 to make math easy) if you took that and had a 1:1 ratio on the RAGB out to Tranny in (same size sprockets or pulleys) you would end up with:

1st: 90:1
2nd: 60:1
3rd: 45:1
4th: 30:1  (1 1/2 x each tranny ratio)

Those are "pretty close" to the 40.5 and 47.5 I was set up with and it gives you a 30ish gear you may need for lower rpm motor to keep wheel speed up...

You might want to run it like that to start, see what your motor likes and fine tune the secondary chain to tweak final..

The size of the split between gears (3rd and 4th) will remain constant unless you can change gears internally...

The other option you have (depending on what motor likes) is to "reverse" the 1.5:1 ratio from RAGB to Tranny by putting on a larger sprocket on ragb and smaller on tranny to maintain a 1:1 total/final ratio and run in 2nd (40:1) and 3rd (30:1) because they are "closer" to each other than the 30:1 and 45:1 of the original set up. Your motor may like that better...

Either of the setups will get you in the "ballpark".... you will need to run it and see how the motor responds so you can tweak it and "run the bases"

I'm assuming the RAGB is a 1:1 ratio..??
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 04, 2010, 08:20:41 PM
Thank you Randy I believe that I see it now. Thanks for all of the help its greatly appreciated.

Tim Johnson
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 06, 2010, 08:22:58 PM
I made up an EXCEL document that relates pulley,sprocket,transaxle ratios rpm and tire diameter to wheel speed, I would like for somebody to check it out for me to see if it makes sense and to confirm for me that it is correct, I'm pretty sure it is. I can't post it. I would have to e-mail it. Help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Tim Johnson
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 07, 2010, 06:21:28 PM
Nobody?

Anyway chose my pulley/sprocket sizes and I am  waiting on a price for the Martin timing pulleys, probably going to be too pricey so the backup plan is to use 2 groove A/B pulleys. I laid everything out today and it looks like it will all go together pretty well. More work on it tomorrow.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: FlatheadPuller on December 07, 2010, 07:14:12 PM
If everything is ok you should not need two belts. A single b belt is fine. Remember belts eat up hp. On that cycle clutch your going to try is it meant to be a wet clutch. I know you want to try it and I am all for different believe me....  But you will be worlds ahead with just a twisted belt setup. You'll get more power to the ground, less mechanical items the engine will be driving. And it works. Are you putting a billet rod in the engine?  If so plan on turning it harder. If you put a weld up cam in it don't short change it. With a billet rod and a good cam it will run 6500. I know your doing a lot of homework might as well use it all and twist it hard.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 07, 2010, 09:38:56 PM
Yes it was a wet clutch honda 250. but to quote an article that I read " the primary purpose of the oil in a WET clutch is for cooling. " Just words I guess I don't know all of the reasons behind it. The friction discs i'm sure are better suited to be in oil,because that is where they were designed to be. I don't know how they will hold up without it or how much the clutch will slip. Having said all of this.
 
I will take your advice Dennis and use the single groove pulleys instead of the timing pulleys and/or 2 groove pulleys, way cheaper, lighter and as you said more than sufficient. I am still compelled to use the honda clutch though, maybe have to upgrade it to a v-twin high performance harley dry clutch. it's pricey but! Who knows. I may end up after all with a twisted belt. :bash: I have the layout for one.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 08, 2010, 11:02:20 PM
I ordered the sprockets and pulleys today. They will be here in a day or two. I am using Martin stuff. The sprockets are only a couple of dollars more than the ones at tractor supply and they are one piece. not the welded type. The pulleys are a bit pricey but have an interchangable bushing. I'm starting with final gear ratio of 38:1 in second gear and 28:1 in 3rd gear. Will see which ratio is closer to the best and change from there.
                                                              
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 13, 2010, 07:52:19 PM
I picked up the pullies and sprockets today, and cut out a 5/16" piece of steel to mount the gear box for my clutch, Finish up the plate tomorrow hopefully. Have to make a bushing for the pulley to mount to the clutch, and a bushing to mount the pulley to the crankshaft.
Pile of parts.....
(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0415.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0415.jpg)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 14, 2010, 04:32:08 PM
I worked on mounting plate today. Still have to cut a slot for the sprocket is a 3/4 inch slot large enough for # 40 chain or should I go an inch?



(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0416.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0416.jpg)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Squidd on December 14, 2010, 05:10:03 PM
If it's right over the sprocket 3/4" will be fine cause sprocket should not move...

More towards the middle of the run and chain can flap and move a bit, 1" might be better
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 14, 2010, 08:48:07 PM
I cut the slot in the plate, as it turns out I really didnt need the extra that I cut out for the sprocket flange, the sprocket doesn't sit down that far. I believe the sprocket that I am using for now will be the largest that I will conceivably use in this location so should be good for any changes, I gave myself a little extra room and went with a 1" slot. In case my tape measure let me down, and I need to move the sprocket side to side a bit, didn't trust myself. It's gonna be a tight fit in there.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0417.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0417.jpg)


I have to get a flange bearing for the end of the sprocket shaft. Is this a good deal, Is it heavy enough?

http://www.thebigbearingstore.com/servlet/the-71/7-fdsh-8%22-Four-Bolt-Flange/Detail
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: cubcadet70 on December 15, 2010, 05:31:57 PM
dont get your chain too heavy or it will cause alot of drag! what kind of motor are you using? a v-twin harley? lol
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 15, 2010, 10:22:08 PM
No actually my neighbor has a 4 cylinder motor from a pinto, thought I might use that. HaHa anyway thanks chains gonna be pretty short.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: cubcadet70 on December 16, 2010, 08:41:30 AM
oh ok that would work too tho..... lol so really what engine are you using?
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 16, 2010, 09:17:02 AM
oh ok that would work too tho..... lol so really what engine are you using?


I'm gonna use a Kohler CV-14 OHV, stock valves,solid lifters, stock rockers, at least so far. Chuck at Vogel is checking on some valve springs for me, Midwest super cub billet rod and piston, supposed to be ready soon. Isky cam. Still haven't confirmed if I can resleeve this block for the 90mm piston from midwest. Not sure what carb yet. My rules allow 1.2" venturi. Unconventional yes, so is everything else about this project as far as I can tell.

Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Squidd on December 16, 2010, 09:21:46 AM
What rule set or group are you building for..?
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 16, 2010, 09:25:37 AM
What rule set or group are you building for..?

http://www.lsgtpa.com/index.htm (http://www.lsgtpa.com/index.htm)

Stock Altered. I do understand that my combination will not be all that competitive in this class. Most of their pulls are a ways from me and in reality wont make it to many of them. I would like to create some interest in my area for this. I hope when this is completed I can.

Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: cubcadet70 on December 16, 2010, 04:10:00 PM
if i were you i would run a mikuni carb if they let you use a slide catb! and it would have to be 30mm in veturi! and they flow really nice too!
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 16, 2010, 07:02:17 PM
if i were you i would run a mikuni carb if they let you use a slide catb! and it would have to be 30mm in veturi! and they flow really nice too!

Rules require garden tractor type carbureator.

Worked on driveline today. My pops machined a sleeve and a shaft to mount sprocket to the gear box. Lookin strangely like a racer.
Have to cut keyways and drill collar for set screws next.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0420.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0420.jpg)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: cubcadet70 on December 16, 2010, 07:56:36 PM
humm i would just get your carb bored out by your local machine shop to 1.0 first and if it runs good the bump it to 1.1 and so on!
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 16, 2010, 08:03:56 PM
humm i would just get your carb bored out by your local machine shop to 1.0 first and if it runs good the bump it to 1.1 and so on!


Thanks, good idea and more affordable for me too
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: FlatheadPuller on December 16, 2010, 10:32:32 PM
Tim a standard kohler kseries 30 carb would be a good compliment to your engine. Are you running a .340 lift cam in it?
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 16, 2010, 10:45:02 PM
Tim a standard kohler kseries 30 carb would be a good compliment to your engine. Are you running a .340 lift cam in it?

I haven't worked those details out yet. Would that be your recommendation Dennis? I measured the stock lift, don't remember what it was sumthin like .248 I think. I will definately check into the k-series carb. I'm assuming I will have to make an adapter. I am allowed a 1" standoff.

Thanks
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 17, 2010, 03:45:25 PM
Started on the clutch, Here is the basket in stock form with the gear attached
(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0423.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0423.jpg)

I ground down the rivets/pins and removed what I thought would be the gear. What I found was that the gear was installed on some sort of "damping" assembly presumably to lessen the shock of shifting, possibly vibration.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0424.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0424.jpg)

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0425.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0425.jpg)

Next I need to design and fabricate a bushing of sorts to mount the pulley

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0426.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0426.jpg)

Now!!!! Would you guys consider including the use of the same type of damping system in the new design or would you just bail on it and machine the tabs off of the basket and mount the pulley solidly to the basket with the bushing? Either way I know what I would do just wondering which way to do it. Wondering how much "damping" is really needed or how necessary do you think it might be for this application.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Squidd on December 17, 2010, 05:09:54 PM
I'd go solid, it's not a street machine and you'll have all kinds of vibrations to deal with anyway
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 17, 2010, 05:19:43 PM
I'd go solid, it's not a street machine and you'll have all kinds of vibrations to deal with anyway

Will do, much easier to accomplish anyway. No reason to make it any more complicated than it already is. It's a prime candidate for over engineering the way it is! The belt will probably act like a damper anyway.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: FlatheadPuller on December 17, 2010, 07:24:24 PM
Tim what ratio rockers do you have. If your putting a good rod and piston in it you could put a healthy cam shaft in it. Do you have a steel flywheel for it. If you can get a k series 30 carb on it and the rocker ratio is the same as a command twin a very good grind for a 5500-6500 rpm engine is a .275 lift at the cam with a .256 duration on a 106 lc. A friend has the same grind in is command twin and it runs strong. Good top end and a ton of soul on the big end of the track. It is easy on valve train and he uses all stock rockers and valves with good springs and retainers.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 17, 2010, 07:58:00 PM
Tim what ratio rockers do you have. If your putting a good rod and piston in it you could put a healthy cam shaft in it. Do you have a steel flywheel for it. If you can get a k series 30 carb on it and the rocker ratio is the same as a command twin a very good grind for a 5500-6500 rpm engine is a .275 lift at the cam with a .256 duration on a 106 lc. A friend has the same grind in is command twin and it runs strong. Good top end and a ton of soul on the big end of the track. It is easy on valve train and he uses all stock rockers and valves with good springs and retainers.

I believe that they are 1.6 to 1 ratio, was told on here a while back seemed like the command twin roller rockers looked like they would work in place of the stock so should be the same ratio then?  Midwest super cub has a 22 lb. steel flywheel for the command single.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: cubcadet70 on December 17, 2010, 09:32:49 PM
go buy a 1.65 to 1 ratio rockers if you can find one!  :D on my honda motor the stock is 1.2 to 1 anf i just bought a 1.3 to 1 stamp rockers and they look stock and they increase the lift by .100 so if i have a .275 cam it will be .375 at the valves cuz of the rocker arms and they also opens eairler!  :woo: lol that would be a good trick if you have to run stock looking parts  :P thats what i'm going to do!!!!  :roll:
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: FlatheadPuller on December 18, 2010, 10:45:43 AM
Tim I believe command twin stock rockers are 1.5 to 1. We have 1.6s on our open vtwin. With the cam grind I gave you you don't need rollers. Just some type of adj valve train. With the cam grind I recommended a billet rod and piston, steel flywheel and a kseries 30 carb with good springs and some mild porting your looking at 30hp ish out of that command. But you have to turn it as hard as you can. With good parts in it don't worry about engine parts breakage. That cam lift at the valve is around .440. In a vtwin its a drop in cam. No machine work required.
 
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 18, 2010, 01:48:15 PM
Tim I believe command twin stock rockers are 1.5 to 1. We have 1.6s on our open vtwin. With the cam grind I gave you you don't need rollers. Just some type of adj valve train. With the cam grind I recommended a billet rod and piston, steel flywheel and a kseries 30 carb with good springs and some mild porting your looking at 30hp ish out of that command. But you have to turn it as hard as you can. With good parts in it don't worry about engine parts breakage. That cam lift at the valve is around .440. In a vtwin its a drop in cam. No machine work required.
 

Thanks Dennis and yeah I was planning on using the adjustable rocker kit from Midwest Super Cub RK-4

addendum 6:40 p.m. started laying out the "bushing" to mount the pulley to the clutch. I was going to machine the tabs off of the basket but looked at it again and decided against it. I need to keep them for strength. I hope that I will get this drawn up tomorrow.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 19, 2010, 06:26:19 PM
I did a bit of drawing today for my clutch setup, initial measurements and such, Sourced some needle bearings to use as well. Just need to make sure that I can include a way to keep them lubricated. After careful consideration even though the damping is not needed for function , and though it is more complicated, I need to keep the original setup for strength. I hope to finish up the drawings in a couple of days.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 23, 2010, 04:56:11 PM
I went to the scrap yard today  with my pops to get a a chunk of aluminum to machine for my clutch setup, went through the pile ended up with 46 pounds of misc scrap. We went to pay for it, and the owner of the scrap yard wished us a Merry Christmas and sent us on our way. SCORE! One of those "chunks" is now at the water jet place to be cut into 5 1/2"round stock. Anyway Merry Christmas everybody!
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Squidd on December 23, 2010, 07:03:49 PM
Those are the best kind of finds
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 28, 2010, 04:17:44 PM
My neice is home for the holidays, she's a sophomore, in Mechanical Engineering at Texas A&M. Anyway I drew up the initial clutch setup design in turbocad. The last couple of days I had her draw up the design in Inventor. Sure wish that I had it. Anyway here is the basic idea. Hope to get my aluminum pieces back from the waterjet place and start making the pieces soon.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_scanclutch.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=scanclutch.jpg)

I think it came out great, and it's good practice for her too.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: FlatheadPuller on December 28, 2010, 07:35:02 PM
Thats pretty slick Tim. What have you come up with to disengage it. What keeps pressure on the frictions and steels. I assume there are a series of small coil springs in there some where.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on December 28, 2010, 08:12:46 PM
Thank you Dennis, I know it's not the norm! Only time will tell if it works ok .

Using the original clutch disc and pressure plate setup, Most likely gonna have to use stiffer springs. Gearbox shaft goes all the way through this assembly. The clutch mounts to shaft just like it originally mounted. Needle bearing inside sleeve, and thrust bearing at the top of the assembly held in place by a shaft collar. Clutch shield will provide mount for the clutch release mechanism. Will be a cam type activator.

Tim
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on January 01, 2011, 08:36:15 PM
No pix but picked up my aluminum pieces from the waterjet place on Thursday. My pops worked on the two pieces for the clutch assembly, yesterday and today, made some good progress. I'm gonna have to get a boring bar for my mill to finish up the aluminum piece. When its finished and together will have to get a shaft made for the gearbox with splines on the end for the pressure plate of the clutch. Someday soon I need to start making parts on the lathe myself.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on January 05, 2011, 08:05:52 PM
Busy on other stuff lately but a bit of progress today. My pops finished up the pieces on the lathe. I now have to mount all of the pieces together and mill holes to mount the aluminum piece to the clutch basket. Then a new shaft for the gear box.
Pix of progress below

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(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0455.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0455.jpg)

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0457.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0457.jpg)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on January 10, 2011, 09:53:13 PM
My pops and I worked on the clutch today. He made some pieces on the lathe to center the holes on the original gear. It worked out well. Just have to bore out the holes now to 1.100" The next process is new to both of us and that is offsetting the piece on the lathe to bore the holes, I was going to do it on the mill with a boring bar but cant really afford to get one right now. 4 jaw chuck or face plate? Have to set it up I guess to see which will work better. Snow still on the ground here more progress tomorrow I hope.



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Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Rooster on January 10, 2011, 10:35:49 PM
A face plate made correctly would be easier, after dialing in once you could rotate the part for the rest of the bore.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on January 11, 2011, 07:55:31 PM
Heres what we decided to do. We had a wheel hub that we had made an error in drilling can't really use it so we are going to use it as a "face plate". Mount the clutch plate on it offset. Making a collar for the center hole to bolt it through to the plate. Can rotate for each hole. Thanks Rooster for the tip. The piece sticking out in the second pix will mount in chuck in tailstock to make sure the hole is centered.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/th_DSCF0471.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/?action=view&current=DSCF0471.jpg)

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0470.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0470.jpg)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on January 14, 2011, 06:25:26 PM
We finished up the set up on the lathe for the clutch piece and finished the piece with the exception of some holes, the piece fits great on the clutch basket.

Setup

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0475.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0475.jpg)

clutch piece

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/th_DSCF0479.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/?action=view&current=DSCF0479.jpg)
The aluminum piece will be mounted  to the clutch basket with six #8 screws gonna use stainless steel screws a little stronger than regular old machine screws.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: plowboy6602 on January 14, 2011, 06:55:55 PM
what kind of motor are u using?
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on January 14, 2011, 07:16:56 PM
what kind of motor are u using?

Plan is to use kohler cv-14s resleeved to 90mm basically making it a cv-16 ( not positive yet that I can do this), billet rod, forged piston, steel flywheel, from midwest super cub, k-series 30 carb, stock valves/rockers, stiffer valve springs, cam from Isky.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: cubcadet70 on January 14, 2011, 10:23:03 PM
take a pic of the cam from isky! i want to see his quality work! i got a cam being made right now from him for my kohler 8hp alter and its still at his shop will be done in a month! cant wait! its a billet cam!
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on January 14, 2011, 10:32:12 PM
I actually haven't had it done yet myself. I have spoken with him though, I cant wait to get started on the motor. The clutch has to get finished first and a bit of misc things , then finally the motor.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on January 17, 2011, 05:12:00 PM
Finished  drilling and tapping all of the holes in the clutch assembly it is all one piece now. Now I have to figure out the best way to keep the basket and pulley assembly from moving up on the shaft. I'm sure that I will need a thrust bearing and some sort of collar in there some where. The shaft on the gearbox already has to be extended about 2 1/4", so I need to keep it as low a profile as possible.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0483.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0483.jpg)

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0481.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0481.jpg)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Squidd on January 17, 2011, 06:33:16 PM
Run this by me again.. this is going on a jackshaft...? or on an extended shaft in the tranny/ragb..?
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on January 17, 2011, 08:19:16 PM
Run this by me again.. this is going on a jackshaft...? or on an extended shaft in the tranny/ragb..?

Extended shaft RAGB almost all of the mass is in the bushing, bearing and the pulley, I don't see that portion of it being much different than a normal application The "extended" part of the shaft just holds the pressure plate and clutch pack. It's gonna stick down a ways though. Don't know how much additional load the bearing in the RAGB is going to see because of this.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on January 18, 2011, 04:30:53 PM
Sourced a thrust bearing today. Going to make another collar to hold the bearing in place and attach to the shaft.
Should be able to keep the whole thing about half an inch.

http://www.rbcbearings.com/selflubricatingbearings/fbcatalog.asp?series=FTP&category=Standard&optype=Section (http://www.rbcbearings.com/selflubricatingbearings/fbcatalog.asp?series=FTP&category=Standard&optype=Section)

heres a pix of the basic final layout.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0487.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0487.jpg)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on January 25, 2011, 05:53:03 PM
My pops made the collar today for the thrust bearing, I started another project during the holidays been takin up my spare time. I haven't been spending much time on the tractor, at this rate who knows when it will get done. At this point I am looking for a reasonable set of keyway cutters. I have checked Grizzly and MSC. I have enought that I have to cut that it's probably cheaper to buy the cutters/ broach?  I have never done it not exactly sure what I really need. Has anyone seen any good deals lately?


 (http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0490.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0490.jpg)


We had an old homemade open trailer around working on enclosing it.
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Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Rooster on January 25, 2011, 07:06:00 PM
Moon Cutters - for key seat cutters.
They are the best buy for the buck in my book.
American made but not over priced!

Broaches...there are only 2 brands of broaches...

Dumont & Not Dumont!   

Do you have any one who can sharpen tools?
I have some dull cutters I would give to you.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on January 25, 2011, 08:24:01 PM
Thankyou Rooster PM sent.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on January 28, 2011, 08:38:17 PM
I finally welded up the wheelie bars. I won't be getting any style points for the welding but I am quite confident that they will hold up.


(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0492.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0492.jpg)

1/29/2011 Primered wheelie bars today. Man I can't weld to save my life, it's gonna hold but sure is ugly!!!!
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Squidd on January 29, 2011, 11:27:33 PM
As long as you have good penetration on both pieces, you can grind away/smooth away a good bit of the bumps and bubbles on the welds. Then a light touch of glazing just before final primer.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: jerb on January 30, 2011, 12:27:44 AM
I finally welded up the wheelie bars. I won't be getting any style points for the welding but I am quite confident that they will hold up.


(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0492.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0492.jpg)

1/29/2011 Primered wheelie bars today. Man I can't weld to save my life, it's gonna hold but sure is ugly!!!!
welding is something you definately do not learn over night.....it takes years of paractice to be really good at it.....but ya got to start somewhere.....go to the scrap pile and practice, you will learn quicker than you think, nice build by the way, and as Randy says as long as you have good penetration on both pieces it will hold fine, nothing a grinder and a lil spot putty can't fix!!!
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on January 30, 2011, 05:04:52 PM
welding is something you definately do not learn over night.....it takes years of paractice to be really good at it.....but ya got to start somewhere.....go to the scrap pile and practice, you will learn quicker than you think, nice build by the way, and as Randy says as long as you have good penetration on both pieces it will hold fine, nothing a grinder and a lil spot putty can't fix!!!

Thanks guys, I am gonna have to try and turn up my patience a bit. I did a little grinding today, it's gonna take a bit of work but I guess it will be ok in the end.

Tim
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on February 02, 2011, 02:11:02 PM
Finished up the wheelie bars, at least until final paint.


(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/th_DSCF0501.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/?action=view&current=DSCF0501.jpg)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: GRUBDIGGER on February 03, 2011, 09:07:28 AM
LOOKS GOOD!
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Squidd on February 13, 2011, 04:46:57 PM
How we doing on the clutch...?
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on February 13, 2011, 04:53:11 PM
How we doing on the clutch...?

I'm at the point of getting a shaft made just haven't done it been pretty busy and moneys tight. It probably won't be a fortune but just don't have the extra. I hope to finish up what I am doing and get back to it soon.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on February 16, 2011, 06:02:08 PM
I had all these parts laying around in a box so I decided to work on an engine test stand, This will take care of the wiring bit.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0503.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0503.jpg)

I have a stand and aluminum plate as well, I think the only thing I really have to buy are some battery cables.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: BlueBayou on February 16, 2011, 08:26:07 PM
Wow that mochine is looking great. didnt read it all but what kinda transaxle/ trans did you use? also what clutch is that? My father in law wants to build a v-twin dragster type and were lost on idea's and he wants to gas and go with no shifting down the track. thanks Josh
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on February 16, 2011, 08:40:45 PM
Wow that mochine is looking great. didnt read it all but what kinda transaxle/ trans did you use? also what clutch is that? My father in law wants to build a v-twin dragster type and were lost on idea's and he wants to gas and go with no shifting down the track. thanks Josh

Peerless 2300 transaxle cast iron, and its a motorcycle clutch from a honda 250, time will tell if it is going to work
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on February 24, 2011, 11:29:35 PM
I picked out a machine shop today to make the shaft, took the clutch assy there to show him what we needed and he gave us a piece of 4130 steel and a cutter insert for the lathe, so pops is gonna rough the shaft and we are going to take it back to him to cut the splines and finish the shaft up. I think I picked the right machine shop! I also think I found a place to get the machine work done for my motor too. All in all a pretty good day.
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on March 02, 2011, 08:17:20 AM
My pops had the shaft machined except for one last part of it and darned if he didn't cut it down just a few thousands too far. The rest of it was perfect. He hasn't had a chance to start over. Meanwhile I have been working on an engine test stand. Oh and it is actually 4140 steel we are using for the shaft not 4130.


(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0511.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0511.jpg)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on March 16, 2011, 05:15:05 PM
The clutch/gearbox shaft is roughed out next have to take it to the machine shop to have it finished.

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0513.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0513.jpg)

Still working on enclosing our old trailer I did some welding on it yesterday

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0512.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0512.jpg)

I need the trailer to have a place to store the tractor
 
I also worked on my engine test stand today.  I hope to pretty much finish it up by the end of the week.



Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on August 04, 2011, 08:32:38 PM
Been a long time! Numerous projects around the house, the heat and lack of funds has almost halted any progress on my tractor. However I found this at the local junk yard today and couldn't resist. I will put it under a tarp for now!

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0581.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0581.jpg)

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0579.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0579.jpg)

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0582.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0582.jpg)

(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0580.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view&current=DSCF0580.jpg)
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Squidd on August 05, 2011, 12:27:51 AM
Now your talking...
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on August 05, 2011, 10:34:29 PM
It's a 1200 only a K301 12HP though
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: Squidd on August 07, 2011, 03:55:44 PM
30 cu/in Pro Stock...

It's still a solid platform to build on and parts are much more available . I know you have your heart set on that "one of a kind" build your doing, but I've found even though the cubs have been used for years and all parts are a phone call away, that putting together the right combination to be competitive is still an elusive skill...
Title: Re: just getting started
Post by: gtpuller on February 14, 2013, 08:49:15 PM
OOPS!!!!! I moved some pix around and broke some links for some pix in a couple of earlier posts! I haven't given up on the craftsman. Over the winter I have been working on the cub that I found last summer just finished all the bodywork/welding and the primer. It was a lot of work but I think it came out pretty good!


(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/cub/th_DSCF1118.jpg) (http://s426.beta.photobucket.com/user/bjchap/media/tractor%20puller/cub/DSCF1118.jpg.html)