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Mower Building / Setup Help => Project Builds => Other Interesting Builds => Topic started by: jeffescortlx on October 31, 2006, 11:29:11 pm
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My 3 year old boy loves his powerwheel 4 wheeler, I might be jump'en the gun a little here, but soon he'll be ready for somthing a little more powerfull. Right now being electric it keeps up with my grass cutter on full speed and he can drive better then me. The plastic wheels dont allow it to go up much of a hill, and it does'nt have enough power to go through any kind of thick grass/brush. Sooo over the winter I'm gonna build a frame for the parts I have collected and use the 4 wheeler body on it. So far I have a sweet OHC 6.5 Honda motor thats very light, a peerless transaxle (small single speed F-N-R), a front axle from a small rear engine JD and some cool little knobby tires for the back, and the hard to find 6" rim's with 3/4" keyway. For a clutch I'll run a cyntrifical and run a mini bike hand throttle.
All I had as a kid was a little go-kart with a tired 5hp flat head one wheel drive that was a slick. Went quick, but had no low end power or traction for any off road fun, but really enjoyed it anyways.
Oh, all most forgot, I'm gonna mount the transaxle upside down to keep the motor low for a safe center of gravity.
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I stole the idea from george#22
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http://www.extrememowers.com/VideosOther.html
He has 12hp with a 3sp.
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Well we have discussed splitting the build thread off in the backroom to allow other interesting builds and it sounds like it's a go, so... when we get to it we'll move your thread there!
How's that sound?!
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You are there dude... Other Interesting Builds! :rocknana:
Now you are officially required to build this project posting pictures throughout, with technical details, and step by step description of all hair pulling and headaches encountered in the course thereof!!
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sweet idea!!
btw,
what does mom think? lol
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what does mom think? lol
"Your gonna do what to his powerwheels?"...She's used to me and my projects, she just nod's her head. But I know when it's done I'm gonna catch her on it. I allready had to tell her to get off of it the way it is now. But with a real metal chassis it will beable to handle an adult, if you dont mind your knee's up to your face.
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LOL Sweet MOM :lol:
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This thread makes me chuckle.
It makes me chuckle becuase I have a spare 8HP engine that I was measuring up to my girlfriend's son's 4 wheeler power wheels before I got caught starting to modify it and told that I was not to touch it.
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Have you been here yet?:
http://www.modifiedpowerwheels.com/forum/
There are people there running them at 18, 24 and even 36 volts. I guess they can get up to 14mph or faster. But I still like the gas engine idea, and rubber wheels is a plus
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I'v been telling the guys in the back room...They have forums for just about anything these days...
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Have you been here yet?:
http://www.modifiedpowerwheels.com/forum/
There are people there running them at 18, 24 and even 36 volts. I guess they can get up to 14mph or faster. But I still like the gas engine idea, and rubber wheels is a plus
:omg: :lol:
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I need your guy's opinons on two thing's:
Should I build the frame so the front axle articulates?
That way it can keep both back wheels on the ground while going over rough terrain. Or should I make a solid front axle that's attached directly to the frame so it stay's leval in corners. I will keep the diff open, and I'm aiming for a top speed of 10mph.
Would facing the motor backwards be ok? Originally on the mower the motor faces with the spark plug up front, but I want to postion the motor so the muffler points out the rear side wheel opening instead of the riders leg. Is there any oiling problems that will come about when going up hills, accelerating or pulling a wheelie? The oil will flow twards the cylender instead of the back of the block.
Keep in mind I need to keep it as light as possible, so it needs to stay simple.
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Given 10 mph top speed I wouldn't think acceleration to be such to move oil back into the cylinder causing any problems. You aren't turning high Rs so forcing oil past the rings is not a big issue, and you're not really worried about the minor little bit of drag on the cylinder that would be created if it did at that speed. As far as oiling on hills, wheelies and such being an issue, not everyone's yard is flat and level and if the mower bogs down in heavy grass one of the first things you do is lift the deck off the ground. Pretty much the same as doing a wheelie!
Shouldn't see any problems with front end at these speeds either.
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uhh the one problem george had with his "jeep" was and is keping the front wheels on the ground being the whole jeep weighs about 120lbs tires and all ;)
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uhh the one problem george had with his "jeep" was and is keping the front wheels on the ground being the whole jeep weighs about 120lbs tires and all ;)
I'm sure sitting over the rear axle has somthing to do with the front wanting to point to the sky.
I'm hoping with the 4 wheeler layout, and handle bar up front, the rider's weight will be more centered, in stead of most of it being over the back wheels.
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and if the mower bogs down in heavy grass one of the first things you do is lift the deck off the ground. Pretty much the same as doing a wheelie!
exsactly, or when you make a turn with a push mower you push down on the handle bar's to lift the front end off the ground to spin it. But I'll be facing the engine the other way. So instead of the oil moving to the back of the block it will move to the cylender/back of piston.
Where is the oil pick up on these motors?
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well ill tell u one thing i the motor in my supermod is facing backwards and it works fine i actually like it better then with the head forward
and the oil "slinger" is directly underneath the cam
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ah ok. This is a over head cam motor.
But I would sure hate to wreck it, it's a neat little motor. Light, powerfull (for it's size anyways) and starts easy.
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But they mow up hills and down hills and on side hills. Is it running a pressurized oiling system, or is it running a slinger? Should have filter if it's pressurized. Then you have pickup location to consider. If it's a slinger it's kinda all over the bottom of the motor, goin round and round... ya know!
Lookin at drawings and pictures here, http://www.honda-engines.com/engines/gcv190.htm I'm assuming it's an oil slinger set up, in which case it shouldn't be a concern.
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But they mow up hills and down hills and on side hills. Is it running a pressurized oiling system, or is it running a slinger? Should have filter if it's pressurized. Then you have pickup location to consider. If it's a slinger it's kinda all the bottom of the motor, goin round and round... ya know!
Lookin at drawings and pictures here, http://www.honda-engines.com/engines/gcv190.htm I'm assuming it's an oil slinger set up, in which case it shouldn't be a concern.
OK, that link looks like my motor, and mine does'nt have a filter so it must be a Forced Splash. We'll I'm glad I dont have to worry about the oil slush'en around in all the wrong places. Thanks for help!
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My 3 year old boy loves his powerwheel 4 wheeler, I might be jump'en the gun a little here, but soon he'll be ready for somthing a little more powerfull. Right now being electric it keeps up with my grass cutter on full speed and he can drive better then me. The plastic wheels dont allow it to go up much of a hill, and it does'nt have enough power to go through any kind of thick grass/brush. Sooo over the winter I'm gonna build a frame for the parts I have collected and use the 4 wheeler body on it. So far I have a sweet OHC 6.5 Honda motor thats very light, a peerless transaxle (small single speed F-N-R), a front axle from a small rear engine JD and some cool little knobby tires for the back, and the hard to find 6" rim's with 3/4" keyway. For a clutch I'll run a cyntrifical and run a mini bike hand throttle.
All I had as a kid was a little go-kart with a tired 5hp flat head one wheel drive that was a slick. Went quick, but had no low end power or traction for any off road fun, but really enjoyed it anyways.
Oh, all most forgot, I'm gonna mount the transaxle upside down to keep the motor low for a safe center of gravity.
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I stole the idea from george#22
(http://www.extrememowers.com/sitebuilder/images/jeep_2-306x228.jpg)
(http://www.extrememowers.com/sitebuilder/images/jeep_8-307x229.jpg)
http://www.extrememowers.com/VideosOther.html
He has 12hp with a 3sp.
how olds your boy?
He looks pretty excited!
Mines only 5 months old, and im already planning his first go kart! LOL!
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OK, that link looks like my motor, and mine does'nt have a filter so it must be a Forced Splash. We'll I'm glad I dont have to worry about the oil slush'en around in all the wrong places. Thanks for help!
Not a problem. If you scroll way to the bottom of the page there on the right hand side, there is a second link, for a GSV-190 6.5 hp Vertical also Jeff. It doesn't look as much like yours in the picture. Pretty safe to assume you're just slush'en oil around, and you should be safe.
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how olds your boy?
He looks pretty excited!
Mines only 5 months old, and im already planning his first go kart! LOL!
He's 3. They grow up fast so you better start on that go-kart now!
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I have a spare 8HP engine that I was measuring up to my girlfriend's son's 4 wheeler power wheels
Dont forget you were going to give that motor to me! ;)
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Oh the joy's of home made fabricating...
I just spent hour's doing stuff that should of only taken seconds. First off the front wheels I picked up had a different size bearing that I exspected, see I had the exsact same brand and style wheels at home, but there were the 8" vertion, I wanted the 13" vertion to match the rear 14" wheels. I would of never of guessed the larger wheel had a smaller bearing bore. So I just swapped the bearing out of the 8" wheel and installed them in the 13" hub. I guess I cant complain, the tire, rim and bearings were only 8 dollars total.
And the rear tires gave me some trouble getting mouted on the rim, one of the wheels was sqished from laying on the shelves at the store, I could'nt get the darn bead to seal. I messed with it for hour's, pushing and pulling to get both sides to seal at the same time so I could get it to hold air. With one of em all I had to do was spray air at the bead. The other I had to remove the valve stem valve and directly attach the air hose to the valve stem opening, that blew enough volume of air to fill the tire faster then it could leak out of the unseated beads.
End rant. You may go back to your regular posting.
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I have a spare 8HP engine that I was measuring up to my girlfriend's son's 4 wheeler power wheels
Dont forget you were going to give that motor to me! ;)
Come get it :-P
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Rolling chassis coming soon! ...had to push this project to the back burner for a few day's.
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kool beans man keep the pics comin :thumbsup:
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HAHAHAHA thats awsome :lol: :lol2: :lmfao: :lol3:
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that thing is SWEET!! its gunna be awesome when its done!!
-Phil
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Hey I'm kinda curious as to how you're doing the drive line setup on that machine. Since the axle is flipped over you would in theory have one forward gear and multiple reverse gears, correct? I'm intrigued as to how you would combat that problem (the gears are turning in my head - this could be good for a different application that I'm thinking of).
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If it's flipped over yes...but then if you "spin it around" to get in front of the motor...it should turn the right way again...
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So far I have a sweet OHC 6.5 Honda motor thats very light, a peerless transaxle (small single speed F-N-R),
i believe its only a 2 speed transaxel ;)
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It now has steering.
Squidd is right, since it's flipped and spun, forward is still forward.But matt is also right, it's only a 1 speed transaxle anyways, so it would'nt matter.
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ya know i never thought about flipping and spinning a transaxle. ive been wanting to lower the rear on my Case but i dont have the means to make a jack shaft, but couldnt you just flip and spin the transaxle and rasie it up into the frame just enough so you could still use your stock cluch and everything? sounds like it would work to me, only problem being would it burn the transaxle yup that way at the high speeds?
i love this whole powerwheels 4 wheeler thing, looks to be coming along GREAT!! i was gunna make somethin like georges jeep out of a big foot till im brother melted the whole thing....now all i have is a pink barbie corvette :-| :lol: :worried:
keep the pics comin on the progress of the built, its great!!
-Phil
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but couldnt you just flip and spin the transaxle and rasie it up into the frame just enough so you could still use your stock cluch and everything?
You would need to custom modify the shifter and brake linkage. Maybe the stock clutch system would work with out changes, but I would'nt count on it. You'll need a welder and fab tools.
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I think the biggest problem with longevity with that type setup (flip) is that the gear box is usually set to hold the gears in the lube and "splash" up on other moveing parts...
Depending on the makeup of the particular transaxle...the lube may not be covering the proper parts, the splash effect may not cover the parts that are "now" exposed...lube may leak out of shifter and other areas that were not set up to be submerged...
Maybe a heavier grease is the answer, but that doesn't usually hold up to extream running...
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yea flipping the tranny is to prone to problems, so why dont you just set it up like this?: raise the tranny up into the frame as usual for lowering it, then make it so the belt from the engine goes to the bottom of a double pulley (the kind that have a pulley on top and the bottom) thats mounted in the middle, then have the belt from the transaxle go to the top pulley on the double pulley. then you shouldnt have any problems! the setup would be kinda like the vari-drive setup on a MTD, but instead of the main center pulley moving forward and backward to tighten up the belt, you can just use your existing clutch on the belt that goes from the engine pulley to the double pulley. hope you take my idea into concideration, because i've been planning to do that to my Ford mower for my future IMOW build with it.
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squidd, the transaxle half's, top and bottom are basicly identical, same characteristics on both halfs. So I dont see any problems with flipping it up side down as far as lubercation goes. But if the grease get's thin, I could see the grease try to ooze out of the shifter and input shafts. The transaxle came with thick grease and I'm gonna continue to use thick grease, if grease leaking out of the shafts become a problem, I'll deal with it then. It's going to see very light use, a 40-60lb kid over-driven to a mild 10mph.
TheMowinCuban, There are a few reason's why I did'nt go the jack shaft route. Space, it's very short and there is hardly enough room with out one. It need's to be as simple as possible to keep the weight down, the lighter the safer. And from my experience the less complacated I can make it, the less that can go wrong and fail.
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I'm definitely going to be following this build, as my girlfriend's kid has the same power wheels ATV, and I definately have the spare parts for this. I might find a use for that 8HP after all! :D
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lmao wow, im suprised! no one had anything to say about the pink barbie 'vette...suprising! :woo:
anyway, let us know how the transaxle turned upsidedown like that runs would ya? it might be the next easiest way to lowering a transaxle mower with running a jackshaft.
-Phil
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In My stock mower I run mine upside down...To me it runs the same either way..Has held up good..
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In My stock mower I run mine upside down...To me it runs the same either way..Has held up good..
Have any pic's? Does it loose grease out the input shafts?
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If i get off of work in tiome tommorrow i will go take soem pics of that setup for you...
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lmao wow, im suprised! no one had anything to say about the pink barbie 'vette...suprising!
Why not just paint it black with flames, mount it on a custom frame, Put in a 25hp motor, lift it two foot off the ground, and put 15inch tires all the way around. Once your dun drive it down main street. you would be the talk of the town. Also send pics
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http://palcs.digitalschooling.com/brand/websites/ngehringer/tedtt.bmp (http://palcs.digitalschooling.com/brand/websites/ngehringer/tedtt.bmp)
If the link does not work copy and paste the address into the address bar. Sorry it is not a vette and it is smoshed.
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so Jeff, hows the build going along so far?
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so Jeff, hows the build going along so far?
Slow.
But I knew that was gonna happen. After the holidays I should beable to sneek out to the garage and get the motor mounted. It's a back burner project, but it will get done sooner or later. My son just turned 3, so I still have some time :P
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looks good so far :twothumbsup:
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yeah, i bet your son is really gonna like it when its done.
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Hey! an update! I got a real motor mount welded in. I have the pullies/belt test fitted. So far it looks like it'll work.
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Man that thing is awsome. Can I be your son. Can't wait to see it done
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lol
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yeah,looks like your doing a very nice job of it. this will be one of those things your son remembers forever and will tell his grandchildren about. its too bad there aren't more people doing such things. sure you could buy some POS but this is real.
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heres a thumbnailed image of it
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looks like its comin along great!!
-Phil
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this will be one of those things your son remembers forever
I know I still remember my first gokart, and mini bike...and racing mower. Good times as a kid.
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LOL!, i still remember my first powerwheels quad :lol:, man i beat the crap out of that thing till i out grew it. The quad is awesome and is gonna be even more awesome when theres the body on it. I think it's turning out grate. I think you will have some problems with your son not getting off of it because he will probably like it to much :lol:.
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I had to make a shaft adapter, since the motor was a 7/8" shaft and clutch for a 1". So I used a 1" pipe with 16th" wall thinckness. The key's wernt any where close to being compatible, so now the shaft key and clutch key are held side by side. (Thats why the gap is so wide in the adapter)
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you really need to learn to thumbnail :P
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looks good though bud ;)
-Phil
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That's a good idea with the adapter! This thing is going to be so cool when finished :)
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wooh, the shaft adapter is awsome :woo:
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Welp it's driveable. Drove it down the drive way and back. I'll post up another pic here soon. Still needs the body/seat mounted, correct handle bars, brake, foot pegs, D-N-R shifter linkage and a idler pully.
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sweet!! get us some pictures soon, and some video if possible ;)
-Phil
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Glad to here that you got it running, i'm shore your son will be extremley happy :)
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It's incomplete, but drivable. Still have a lot to do, but now I really want to get it done.
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looks kinda like your making a bar stool racer kind of thing.
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i highly doubt your kid is ever gunna get off that thing dude u might have to put a timed kill switch on it so he dont spend all day on it lol
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looks kinda like your making a bar stool racer kind of thing.
lol. I just told my buddy the other day, If my kid does'nt use it I'm putting a bar stool on it!
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i highly doubt your kid is ever gunna get off that thing dude u might have to put a timed kill switch on it so he dont spend all day on it lol
If he's any thing like me, he'll spend all day riding.
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that thing looks awesome!! your kid will love it, but i think you might be stealin it from him sometimes :P
-Phil
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but i think you might be stealin it from him sometimes
I know if it was my son's, i wouldnt be able to help it :oops:
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U will go bankrupt trying to keep it filled with gas. :badgrin:
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how much over the top would it be to put an 18hp briggs twin cyl engine on one of the power wheels?
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how much over the top would it be to put an 18hp briggs twin cyl engine on one of the power wheels?
If I were you, I'd give that twin to me :badgrin:
You're definitely going to have to do what he's doing here and completely custom fab a frame to mount the body on. That big twin might be a bit too big for such a small vehicle though..
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how much over the top would it be to put an 18hp briggs twin cyl engine on one of the power wheels?
Way over the top ...not even close.. just look at the pics here for a "perspective" on the size...
I'm sure you were just wondering, and not seriously considering it...
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besides, do you really need a 18 hp twin cylinder motor to pull that thing around :eyebrow:
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not really but right now thats the only engine i have so i guess thats what i'll have to use.
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Find (or build) an appropriate sized chassis for that motor.
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anyone know where i can get a power wheels jeep that no longer works? if you do let me know because i am looking to buy one. so that i can make one of them jeeps like that one guy.
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www.craigslist.org FTW
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i dont have a jeep, but ive got a vette....interested? lol
-Phil
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I saw that powerwheels video too - gave me the idea to search for one at a yardsale n build my own. Most the ones Ive seen are too small , i have seen one in stores that would be big enuff, but a touch expensive to just hack up at $325. Its one of those two seater Escalades with a built in radio. My idea is to keep the body and radio, make a full tube chassis, run lawntractor engine - around 12-14HP, trans, wheels ( large same size wheels) and a removable kicker speaker setup behind the seat ( for when y feel the need to get dirty in the mud) - only two things holding me back- the powerwheels body and the welder to build a frame. Its a definite project when i can find the body.
I also thought of making a sky high lawntractor , with a lift kit - ive seen it done before , seems like another interesting project ( again once i get a welder). I also plan on using lawntractor pieces , like some large old tires off like a cub cadet or wheelhorse ( all 4 wheels) , a large engine ( like a 18HP twin briggs i have), and some sort of chain drive to a differential , with the possibiltiy of a 'flexable' suspension, sorta like a rockcrawler. Keep y updated when i get the parts.
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the power wheels are going cheap on ebay.
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heres pics of mine at www.kale2s.web.officelive.com (http://www.kale2s.web.officelive.com)
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Hi, Ya did one of these 13 years ago for a friend of mines Daughter for christmas.
Used the hotwheels Jeep body and set it on a homemade frame with a 2.5. briggs horizontal
I used a old riding mower chain driven rear axle differential and ran it to a centfical clutch used a
bicycle brake lever for throttle .
She drove it , and went through 2 more Kids after that!
It was a fun build!
Thanks
chuckm