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Mower Building / Setup Help => Driveline => Topic started by: mowdak1 on May 22, 2006, 03:17:33 am
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Per Upgrade302's request I'm going to start this thread off with pictures of what I have on hand to help in the identification of Transmissions and Transaxles. The rest of you are going to have to fill in the gaps here guys!
Squidd get your camera out, and tell Sami to start dragging Trannies out!
Lets try and find all the more popular transmissions, point out their identifying features, locations of model numbers, parts breakdowns, etc., etc.
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Peerless Model 700 - 5 forward gears with Reverse.
(http://www.g-team.us/Mowbetter/PeerlessA.jpg)
The arrow of course points to the identification tag which includes the model number.
(http://www.g-team.us/Mowbetter/PeerlessB.jpg)
Both sides look essentially the same, except the ouput shaft will stick out one or the other, and yes the output shaft may be out either side dependent upon application.
(http://www.g-team.us/Mowbetter/PeerlessC.jpg)
Bottom View
(http://www.g-team.us/Mowbetter/PeerlessD.jpg)
Parts Breakdown --
http://www.odref.com/peerless/700-SERIES/700-714.PDF
http://www.odref.com/peerless/700-SERIES/700-714A.PDF
Dug this one out of an ancient Craftsman rear engine.
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Foote model 4010 After 79 Transaxle - 3 speed w/Reverse
Not known to stay together real well for racing unfortunately!!
(http://www.g-team.us/Mowbetter/footeA.jpg)
Once again the mysterious red arrow, which you probably won't find on one in the field points to what you may think is the model number located conveniently on the bottom of the Transaxle! However as Dynamark is about to point out below.... this is the part number for the lower half of the case!
(http://www.g-team.us/Mowbetter/footeB.jpg)
(http://www.g-team.us/Mowbetter/footeC.jpg)....(http://www.g-team.us/Mowbetter/footeD.jpg)
(http://www.g-team.us/Mowbetter/footeE.jpg)....(http://www.g-team.us/Mowbetter/footeF.jpg)
If anyone knows where there's a parts breakdown for these available on the web drop me a line and I'll include a link here for it.
http://m-and-d.com/dana_foote_parts.html
Thanks Dynamark for the parts link and correcting the error in what I suspected was the model number!!
This one came out of an early 80's Craftsman.
Should anyone be dying to get their hands on one of these puppies, let me know! I'm tired of trippin over it in the garage. It can be yours for freight and a half case of Budweiser! 8)
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http://m-and-d.com/dana_foote_parts.html this should help with all things foote for some reason foote model#'s are hard to find the #'s on most are the part # of the casing half . the correct number appears to be 4010
hope this helps
dynamark
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no problem its no wonder foote went south with no modle #'s on their stuff .i would like to thank all the guys with all the peerless know how .thats what makes this a great place to learn more about our great sport
dynamark
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Here's another fine Foote...Believe it's a 4360 5 spped came out of a 93 Murrey
Top...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans017.jpg)
Bottom...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans013.jpg)
Back...Skinney little bugger... :shock:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans014.jpg)
Side...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans016.jpg)
Other side...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans015.jpg)
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i run one of those now . when you buy new input gears they are all steel it works in side just like a peerless 920/930 trans axle have had great luck so far?????
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Peerless 600 Three Speed...H Pattern... Generally a solid and proven race tranny...
Characteristic "round" look to axle housing... Back...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans010.jpg)
Bottom...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans011.jpg)
Front...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans008.jpg)
Side...This is an older unit with cast iron frame mounts...Generally found with stamped steel mounts...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans009.jpg)
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800 series Peerless 5 speed his one is an 806 model...
Top...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans001.jpg)
Back...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans002.jpg)
Bottom..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans006.jpg)
Side where Tag is located..."Discretely" placed below and behind brake assembly... :roll:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans007.jpg)
Tag...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans004.jpg)
Notice the ummmm..."stratigicly" placed screw holding the bushing in place after it spun the shaft and wallowed out the housing...Made one last run.... :lol:
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Do have another Three Speed Foote Tranny...Need to pull it out to get good pics...Will save this "space" for complete layout when I get it out...
Sami is running one in her J/P ...My understandingis they are a bit weak for full out racing, but for a "goverened" class should hold up...We'll see..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans018.jpg)
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In the words of the G-Man... that one is easy to tell, Foote is the only one that stamps the shift pattern on top of the tranny that's gonna be buried under sheet metal! He said he has a few guys that love those for use on meat grinders, so it went in storage on the back porch should you need another spare.
I also noticed on the other foote transaxle up there that stamping the part number on the bottom of the case to confuse heck out of you is a common trait, but your's didn't come with the pretty red arrow! :D
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it happens to be a model #2010 and good luck finding #s on it .there are two types. the older unit has external c-clips the newer does not.the older one has a gear driven reverse,and the newer has a #41 junk chain
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So that's where the tag is on the 800s...... IDIOTS!
I never even thought to look behind the brake disc on mine for it because it's a stupid place to put it.
Ah well. Good to know exactly the model of what I'm running now at least. Thanks.
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I think we're gonna have to name Dynamark our resident Foote Expert!
Have to change his name to "The Podiatrist!" :wink:
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yeah i've got it bad i study every thing about every thing now i'm on peerless just have to know how things work. i figure the more you know the faster you go
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Here's another fine Foote...Believe it's a 4360 5 spped came out of a 93Murrey
That is the foote I run and I have put that thing through he double hockey sticks :lol: The only thing I did was clean it up weld the spider gears and filled her up with some lucas red and tacky grease and is that stuff tacky and it also seems to adhere good to the gears, Haven't had any problem with it yet although I think the ring gear around the spiders has wore the housing out a little ( little noisy back there) but in my opinion not a bad tranny to get you racing! :wink:
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Cool..that's two of you now said it was half way decent...
Maybe I got some trading material for the next swap meet...(http://www.saltwaterfish.com/vb/images/smilies/scratchchin.gif)
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Hey,
I have a transaxle that looks identical to Squidd's 4360 but my numbers are 3865, its still a 5 speed but from a dynamark. i looked on the M and D site but i could not find its schematic, so could my transaxle be incorrectly stamped?
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Look back to the first Foote I posted in the thread Surburban and you'll find the answer to that question. :wink:
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yep a tough little number ''for a foote''some of them have4 shift keys just like a peerless modle #4360-101 locked rear and outward axle berings stock
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Is this an OK one to race / make faster?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans017.jpg)
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just read page two of this post it shuold answer your ?'s
thanks dynamark
ps looks just like squidd's pic .now aint that somthing
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Hey Squidd... I think you edited rather than quoted up there! :wink:
Yeah it does sorta resemble your workbench, but I wasn't gonna say anything.
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What ..Who...?? :?
No..I think he's just "borrowing" the pic for ID purpose's...
That's OK..long as he pays the copyright fees... :twisted: J/K
But that trannys for sale...$25, weighs 30#, you figure the shipping from 54521 to you and PM me if interested...
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Never mind... it's been a long week already! 20 something hours ont he job yesterday, eyes aren't focusing like they are supposed too, and the brain is numb. Thought you were thanking dynamrk up there when I read it! Don't mind me, I'm only sorta here!! :?
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Peerless Model 400 - 3 Speed w/Reverse
(http://www.g-team.us/Mowbetter/Peerless_300-1.JPG)
(http://www.g-team.us/Mowbetter/Peerless_300-2.JPG)
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wo :shock: were did u find that baby i bet it can handle aloot of tourque
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Well.... there are several of them hiding out at the G-Team shop. That's the G-Man's preferred tranny, simply because they are bulletproof. About impossible to find, but about impossible to blow up too. He typically reconfigures them to a 2 speed as a rule. You have to watch them as the 350 Peerless is more or less identical in appearance, but it runs bushings instead of needle bearings like the one above. They can be refitted but it's a LOT of work! And, the G-Man says they don't stand up with the bushings.
Identifying features on the two models, would be the closed end caps on the shafts on the 400 model. The 350 with bushings the ends are open, clearly evident there is bushing and shaft there.
(http://www.g-team.us/Mowbetter/Peerless-400.jpg)
(http://www.g-team.us/Mowbetter/Peerless_300-2.JPG)
More pictures in the thread here --> http://www.heymow.com/viewtopic.php?t=514&start=0
And, I am told... haven't seen it myself, but Squidd would know... that many of the Peerless 350/400 and Peerless 600 parts are interchangeable. They are essentially the same tranny, the 350/400 is a stand alone chain drive unit, the 600 is a transaxle. If you look back at the 600 pictures Squidd posted in this thread, on the front view it's pretty evident.
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I just got this transaxle, it's from a big old sears craftsman tractor mower, 3 forward 1 reverse. I couldn't find the tractor model or serial #s on what was left of it, it did have a blownup 2 cyl opposed 18hp B&S engine on it. The only #s I could find on the transaxle was on a tag ser#67007 and type# 105401X does anyone know anything about this trans as far as how much hp and rpms can it handle.
(http://www.kbbmotorsports.com/images/gallery/pics/R1.jpg)
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hay mowdak 1 do you know if Don sells the 350 trans after goin threw them or even before goin threw it ?
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You'd have to e-mail the G-Man on that one. He does have a few around the shop, but whether he wants to part with them or not I honestly couldn't tell you. If you can sneak up on one someplace, he'll be more than happy to build it for you though!
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thanks ill email him and ask abought that. i have two want to know what to do with them and would like a couple mower if i can find them for spares i have a habbit of BREAKIN stuff . LOL
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Yes sir! Not a problem.
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this trans is in a mtd lawnflite 25 kinda funny lookin looks like a milk carton with the shifter coming out of the top and a spocket on the side I have a pic but I am not sure how to post I will try to link the pic well that didnt work please email me and I will send it in an e-mail[/img]
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this trans is in a mtd lawnflite 25 kinda funny lookin looks like a milk carton with the shifter coming out of the top and a spocket on the side I have a pic but I am not sure how to post I will try to link the pic well that didnt work please email me and I will send it in an e-mail[/img]
There's a sticky in the post your pics thread (http://www.heymow.com/index.php/topic,2346.0.html) that tells you how to post your pictures using photobucket.com Sodbuster.
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Sod Buster sent this to me...(pic was HUGE... :shock: ) I cropped out the tranny...
Will post here for ID...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/th_Lawnrider007.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Lawnrider007.jpg)
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that is a mtd tranny
ratio is 2.5:1 input:output
the shifter likes to pop outta gear but i had one on a stocker that would pull madd weelies reved out high seemed to hold up in a stock application i woudnt even attempt to use it on a modded mower im almost positive it would explode
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Mine is on a mustang, is that an MTD brand?
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/birdman_express/pics%20on%20heymow%20com/th_Mustangcrop.jpg) (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/birdman_express/pics%20on%20heymow%20com/Mustangcrop.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/birdman_express/pics%20on%20heymow%20com/th_Mustang.jpg) (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/birdman_express/pics%20on%20heymow%20com/Mustang.jpg)
Notice: The chain gear can be on either side of the tranny.
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Yep he said
late seventy early eightys mtd lawnflite 25rear engine mower
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Can somebody tell me what model trans I have? Peerless model number 390-011. 6 Speed forward w/ reverse. Thanks.
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Can somebody tell me what model trans I have? Peerless model number 390-011. 6 Speed forward w/ reverse. Thanks.
Can you get a picture of it, and the tag?
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Lol, no I can't, My mower is at my uncles, I got the number cuz my friend got em off his mower ( he has the same mower) and he doesn't have a camera.
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i think that is a slide shift like whats in the new/old murry's like late 80s early 90s rn1-5
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I have a model 639 peerless tranny is this a good tranny to use. why/why not
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639 should be a transaxle...and yes they are decent for a transaxle...
Just need a jackshaft to lower your ride height...
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what do you mean by a jackshaft to lower height. If you can please show picture.
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I also welded the diff solid is that a good thing to do.
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Jackshaft.JPG (10.91 KB, 476x364 - viewed 59 times.)
here is a pic of a jackshaft , thanks Squidd , but if you have already welded your diff. your not running a transaxel and that would be the only time you would need a jackshaft .
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guess that pic didnt transfer but if you go to the lowering thread its in there .
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i have an extra tranny that isn't welded so I guess i could still do that. thanks for the help.
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anybody out there got a race tranny that will fit a 98 murray widebody?
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I have the foote transaxle Squidd posted where he commented how skinny it is. Will peerless shift keys work in this?
Quig
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Probably not....considering there are about 6-8 different styles of peerless shift keys out there...
Better to find the correct part number and get the dana/foote parts required....
http://www.m-and-d.com/dana_foote_parts.html?id=VSYiG2kD
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Thanks for the link Squidd the parts came friday we raced today I even let her try driving the powder puff this time she was afraid of the gas
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ive got some pics of my hydro static that i need to post to see if anyone has something that would fit in the right way. it is a techumseh, so a peerless should mount up, right? i also have another problem with it... the stock transaxle is 38.5 inches wide, and ive been told that the widest you could have is a 38, so that is another size problem i hope you guys can help me with.
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i just confinscated a 618 mtd transaxle out of an mtd i got in my backyerd.
tag (http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w203/monstermurray/Picture150.jpg)
front (http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w203/monstermurray/Picture149.jpg)
top (http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w203/monstermurray/Picture148.jpg)
is it any good for racing?
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If it is what i think it is. There should only be F-N-R in that transaxle. If you can find a way to overcome the massive gear reduction then im sure you could race prep it and race it. Otherwise there pretty heavy duty as far as off-roading goes, ive put mine through alot of abuse. Better off going the peerless 700 route or a regular transaxle.
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thanks. i think that ill sell that one and try to get a 700 off of corypeirce88. and yes, it only has a f-n-r. i think that i could fix the gear problem. i am running a 17.5 hp flathead, so with a little work i think the gears shouldnt be that much trouble. ill crack it open and see what i can, and if i can work with it ill save the rush for getting a 700. i know it will bolt up, so ill try to figure it out. do you have any tips or tricks?
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I dont have any tips or tricks other than good luck! You Might want to get a solid 3/4 inch axle and replace the differential thats there. Then you might be able to use a chain like the 700s do. The biggest problem is with the gears on the shaft its a really large gear then the drive gear is small so if you decrease the driven gear you have to increase the driver but the case dosnt allow for that. So if you could use a chain or cut and reweld the case.
(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r34/yamaharider5689/th_convert.gif) (http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r34/yamaharider5689/convert.gif)
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huh. i think that ill go with the chain. i would need to use the reverse gear to do that, wouldnt i?
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Yes you would have to run it in reverse. Another think about that is that the chain is going to stretch. So you will have to keep opening it up and taking links out or somehow- i have no clue- make a tensioner.
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hey guys,
brand new to the mower racing scene, ha! ive been searching all over the forums, looking to build my 70 sears custom 10xl into a racer... the gear box ive found is a peerless 755, is this comparable to the usual 700 i see so much about? would it be worth using? thanks
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All 7xx trannies are in the highly revered 700 family.
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:noplease:
Foote Transaxle
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OK for IMOW/goverened class racing... Nothing "special" about it...clean it up, lube it and run it till it blows..
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run it till it blows... you guys do say that alot. ive got a spicer 6 speed... should i stick with the MTD 618 or go to the spicer? (i bet your gonna say stay with the MTD, but i just wanna make sure before i send it away for good)
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Does someone recognize this transmission. It is a 4 speed no reverse, inside it looks similar to a 700
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o98/Roccoracer184/th_littletransmission3.jpg) (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o98/Roccoracer184/littletransmission3.jpg)
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o98/Roccoracer184/th_littletransmission2.jpg) (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o98/Roccoracer184/littletransmission2.jpg)
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o98/Roccoracer184/th_littletransmission1.jpg) (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o98/Roccoracer184/littletransmission1.jpg)
Unfortunately the sticker is blank (as far as a manufacturers name is concerned) except for the number 4100-9 and what looks like a date of 4-3-92. I suspect it's a FOOTE.
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I had one that looked alot alike and it was a Foote , but not sure if that one is .
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Hey guys, I am new here and I'm trying to locate some info about a transaxle in my project mower.
I am going to be running it around 35mph mostly on smooth level ground and not actually racing it, but I would rather find out now if it is going to blow up so I can be on the lookout for a replacement.
It has one tag on it, that says "Model 618-0163"
If anyone can point me to some useful info on it I would appreciate it.
Also I have an OLD heavy mtd 10hp mower frame with a H pattern 3 speed peerless axle with what looks to be a cast iron case, and a band style brake on the side opposite the pulley. It has a metal tag on it with the model but I can't remember the exact ones now. I want to say it started with a 5 or a 6, but I can look it up tomorrow.
Thanks!
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Well, I started making this one into a racer, but halfway through decided that this one was to be a little car show/drag strip cruiser when I found an old mtd with a peerless 3 speed in it for 10$.
I made my first post here in the "other interesting builds" section but it disappeared almost immediately. Are the rules really so strict around here that nobody is allowed to mention a project just for fun? If so, maybe I really am in the wrong place.
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Unfortunately they are so out of necessity Good Samartan, not necessarily because we want them to be. We tried opening things up to other sectors of mower goodies and sorting things out, and it eventually led to a herd of unruly children running rampant through the forum creating chaos. The end result was that we had to sort things out... continuously, butt heads with said kids... repeatedly, argue our point in trying to maintain some semblance of order... repeatedly, defend our position for decisions handed down... constantly, and eventually ban most of those creating problems. Management and Administration therefore elected to maintain the forum as a racing forum only to curtail the number of less than devoted insterests here detracting from the environment we're trying to build. The All Terrain Mower guys moved to a new board to try and get things moving along on their side of things. The kids moved to a new board to talk nasty about Admin.
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The 600 Peerless transaxle you mention above will serve your project well, they are very durable. It is a preferred transaxle amongst racers for that reason in fact. If you have pictures, that may help us identify the second tranny as well
Parts break down for Peerless transmissions/transaxles can be found here - http://www.odref.com/peerless/
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Thank you for the peerless info!
I can understand the need for order, and will abide by the rules. I just wasn't expecting such a harsh welcome... or should I say lack thereof.
I don't have a pic of my transaxle out of the frame, but here is an ebay link to one that looks the same despite being a different model number.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170115559631
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Not a problem dude, although what you have there is not a Peerless transaxle. That one is an MTD. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230134965278
My apologies on the earlier post, assume the Hpattern 3 speed should be a Peerless 600. Wasn't clear on that as that was before coffee, wasn't altogether awake there. The 600 series Peerless would be seen here http://www.heymow.com/index.php/topic,697.msg3938.html#msg3938
The MTD 618 is not nearly as durable, although it may stand up to what you intend doing with it. If you're not running competition with it, pushing it to the extremes we would under race conditions it may stand up fine. I have seen a few posts around here where guys are using them, but I believe they were running in classes with limited modifications to the engines so they aren't generating the torque many of the other racers are. If you have a couple, I'd run with it. If it breaks simply replace it. They should be found fairly cheap for replacement as well, it's just a matter of how many times you want to walk home. :D
And, likewise apologies on the harsh welcome, we are rather guarded in our position on these things at times, as a result of the problems previously encountered.
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I think he is talking about 2 different transaxles, cause the 618 is not an H-pattern. Also, does the 600 series come with a band brake?
The first mower I built was an old simplicity that had a cast iron H unit with a band brake. that thing must of weighed about 50 lbs. The input pulley was on the right side on a horizontal plane, and the belt had a half twist to the vertical engine. Sorry I cant remember make or model. Louis
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Some 600s do/did ... I sold one eariler this year wi cast iron case and band brake...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/th_Trans008.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans008.jpg)
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My uncle has one with a disk brake. His 600 came out of a dynamark.
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Sorry Squidd, I was mistaken about the shift pattern, was thinking of something else. Still never saw a band, untill now, thanks.
On the band brake, what kind of hub/band setup was it? Was it 1 piece or 2?
Thanks, Louis
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i have a peerless 4 speed with reverse i am going to get a model number soon i am trying to clean it off now but i know that it is a peerless because i was able to clean it off enough to find that out are these trannys any good for racing? also one other thing if i take the case cover off to clean it out are any parts going to shoot out like little springs and things
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got any model numbers to go with it?
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There is a guy i know that has a murray,under the seat it has an h-pattern 3speed with reverse.I was wondering if this is a peerless that was talked about or some other transaxle and if it was worth saving and putting in my mower.With all these transaxle and etc. what is the best one to abuse every weekend both for racing and fun.Which one can i put tons of power to(not really tons but u get my point) and it not brake(be reliable).
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There are essentially two H pattern shifters out there... the Peerless 600 Transaxle and the Foote Transmission... both covered in the first two pages of this thread with images.
If you have the Peerless 600, it can be made very race worthy with a few minor modifications. If you have the Foote transmission, it can be used for slower classes, but it doesn't stand a lot of torque.
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Well i got all the numbers of the tranny i like to have never got it clean enough to read the model numbers but i got them 980032 43010338 thats the way there where on the tranny.
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Those aren't Peerlees numbers. And, in that you indicate Tranny and not transaxle, that would, I suspect be a Foote Transmission. Should look something like this one...
http://www.heymow.com/index.php/topic,697.msg3942.html#msg3942
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Hey Rocky don't forget about the Peerless 350/400 H-pattern three speed + reverse.
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Yeah, you have a point there Scott, totally forgot that one! Better get it in there before Don sees this! :omg:
Still not Peerless numbers though hotrod... I'm still guessing a Foote. Get us pictures and we can probably identify it for you.
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I have a Foote trans, marking is non existant, it is a 3 speed with reverse, gears are 1/2 inch wide, and gear selection uses dogs, as opposed to keys. Any thoughts please?
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I have a Foote trans, marking is non existant, it is a 3 speed with reverse, gears are 1/2 inch wide, and gear selection uses dogs, as opposed to keys. Any thoughts please?
Post a picture, these guys are good.
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I am going transmission hunting next weekend. Is there any particular make or series of lawn mower that generally used peerless 7xx series, or even the 400?
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Most rear engine riders have the 700series in them. Dont rely on somone else telling you they dont have any, its better to ask them if you can take a look around(if they have a mower junkyard).
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Thanks, last year when we were cleaning out the back yard, we hauled a 70's model rear engine snapper to the scrap yard. Wish I had thought about it then. :bash:
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Although a few snappers did use a transmission, it was very few, and even fewer yet that ran a 700. The Snappers run a sliding friction disk type assembly. No good for racing on a prepared build, so don't beat yourself up too bad.
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i have a peerless transaxle it is a 3 speed H pattern shifter it is a very good transaxle i took it out of a old mower and you can spin the pulley in any gear with one finger it turns really easy i have the numbers off of it so if you would tell me if it is any good for racing heres the numbers model 649 and under these numbers are 4043-0213 and these numbers are on the right side of the transaxle near the brake sorry i have no pictures at this time also i thought i would post this here because i am not 100% sure that its a peerless 600 but i waanted to make sure so i thought posting it here would be best
here are a few pictures i found on here that look a lot like mine one of the pictures said it was a peerless 600 i do not know if mine is or not the ones that look like mine are the blue transaxle and the grey one also
http://www.heymow.com/index.php/topic,4351.msg50148.html#msg50148
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I have a Peerless mod. 501, 4 speed w/ reverse. Are they good enough for racing?
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Yep, Build it up as per the 700 thread..
Use the 25/25 as your race gear...
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I'm going to tear down my 350 peerless, I used to work at transmission shop here in Okla.City. that has been around for 80 years. I'm going to talk to the oldtimer that works there and see if the gear and shaft and bearing guru that he was known for, would ID and tell me of any parts that will swap. ( being he can lQQk at a gear and tell you what it goes to year and make. And anything I come up with I'll pass along. Bob
:3gears:
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hey guys ,i am kinda new at this sport but learning fast. I have a old ford lt111 that was given to me.It has a foote 3 speed 3264 with a hi-low gear on it. does anybody have a exploded view of it? having ploblems with the shift forks :confused:.
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hey guys ,i am kinda new at this sport but learning fast. I have a old ford lt111 that was given to me.It has a foote 3 speed 3264 with a hi-low gear on it. does anybody have a exploded view of it? having ploblems with the shift forks :confused:.
not very many on here have good luck with the foote, except maybe Squids, but that was on an IMOW. best thing to do is if you are going to race in a higher class, get a 700 and have some one race prep it for you or go to George's thread on race prepping it. hope this helps.
if you go to the side by side comparison a few lines down from here, you will find an exploded view. hope this helps.
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800 series Peerless 5 speed his one is an 806 model...
Top...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans001.jpg)
Back...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans002.jpg)
Bottom..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans006.jpg)
Side where Tag is located..."Discretely" placed below and behind brake assembly... :roll:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans007.jpg)
Tag...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans004.jpg)
Notice the ummmm..."stratigicly" placed screw holding the bushing in place after it spun the shaft and wallowed out the housing...Made one last run.... :lol:
Is this a good transaxle or should I look for something different. MY numbers are Mod# 813B - 3357 7560 this was on a Agway mower build by MTD
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The last pic looks like the screw is there to take up the slack in the alum. housing. That seems to me the housing is wore out and not practical for racing because of the fluid loss. Just my thought though.
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Is this a good transaxle or should I look for something different. MY numbers are Mod# 813B - 3357 7560 this was on a Agway mower build by MTD
What Class...??
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I've used them before and they have held up just fine, but that was using a stock 11 hoarse Briggs and a light driver. But unlike other transaxles, these have bearing on the axles, so they ride on the bearing instead of the casing. And they're easy to find.
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New guy here ===
Have a special project and need to know if this tranny will hold up to a motorcycle engine -- About 600CC --
The tranny is on a Sears 16 horse lawn tractor -- The tag says 633A110.
From what I have been reading, it is a peerless but, well, I'm new here. I'd like to keep it as "stock"as possible so if I decide to race it, I can get a legal motor.
Any ideas?? Probably be better with a pic -- If you wanna see it, I'll do what I can. -- Thanks for any help --
Airgeek
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You wont get any help here because a 600cc motorcycle engine isn't legal for any sanctioned racing here.Besides a motorcycle engine has a transmission already.
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A 633 is a vertical shaft input and a motorcycle motor is a horizontal output....
Won't match up
Skip the motorcycle idea and build a real racer...
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This is a horizontal input tranny. The project is going to be used for wheelies and burnouts at local parades etc.., and help to promote some non-profit orgs. like the local homeless assistance group and others. Hoping to generate enough interest in this area to get a real mower race going. I was hoping to find out if the transmission is strong enough to handle what I want to do. Eventually, I'd like to build a real racer. Till then, I'm using this for other things.
I am an aircraft engineer and machinist and CAN make things "match" up if the need arises. The engine available, has a tranny but, it can be removed.
Just lookin' for info --
Thanks again for any help --
Airgeek
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This is a horizontal input tranny.
Then it's not a 633... http://www.odref.com/peerless/600-SERIES/600-633.PDF
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reminds me of the good ol' days back at shop class
the best way is how i did it a while back
run the bike engine to a peerless 700 OUTPUT side
and run the other output side
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x140/seanstanley11/th_peerless.jpg) (http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x140/seanstanley11/peerless.jpg)
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reminds me of the good ol' days back at shop class
the best way is how i did it a while back
run the bike engine to a peerless 700 OUTPUT side
and run the other output side
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x140/seanstanley11/th_peerless.jpg) (http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x140/seanstanley11/peerless.jpg)
Whats the point of the 700? If your running to each side of output shaft, you don't have any speed changes, so why not just run straight from the motorcycle engine trans output to the drive axle?
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Out put to out put is one shaft... very expensive "jack shaft"..:noplease:
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The project is going to be used for wheelies and burnouts at local parades etc.., and help to promote some non-profit orgs. like the local homeless assistance group and others. Hoping to generate enough interest in this area to get a real mower race going.
I'm 100% for helping non-profit groups like you mentioned, but is not the right way to generate interest for people to join a racing group. Your misrepresenting the whole concept behind lawn mower racing by performing burnouts and such.
So back to tranny's!
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Exactly we will not promote wheelies or burn outs in Parades where there is such a high risk involved. That should take place at a sanctioned drag strip in a controlled enviroment where spectators are well protected. Parades are not for that kind of activities and as racers who take safety extremly serious this type of discussion is now over. Hope everyone understands and if you don;t I will explain it privately.
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Sorry -- Didn't mean to cause such a controversy --
Lets try it again -- Back to trannys --
There is a tranny on "reply #28" that is the same transmission that I have. I have not seen many of these on the forums. Just wondering if this transmission be a good option for building a racing lawnmower -- Will it handle the wear and tear of racing???
Thanks for any help
The new non controversial Airgeek --
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Tecumseh Technicians Handbook Peerless motion Drive systoms
http://www.smallcarplans.com/manual.pdf
good spot to see diograms of the peerless drives of Tecumseh mowers.
peerless tecumseh drives :doh: oops
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do the tecumseh transmissions have any race potential? i cant find a serial number on mine, i will get pics ASAP
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do the tecumseh transmissions have any race potential? i cant find a serial number on mine, i will get pics ASAP
YES they have some good models to use for racing, ie the 700 and the 800, it really depends on what you have!
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Identification tags on Peerless are frequently hid behind the brake disk, or in the case of the 700 series, beneath the shifter bracket mounted to the top of the tranny. Little silver tag 3/4" long x 3/8" wide.
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When I hear about wheelies and burnouts in a parade.. I think of those poor people who got hurt or killed by that idiot that did a burnout in a parade with his Pro-mod drag car..
http://www.wmctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=6668755 (http://www.wmctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=6668755)
This should not be encouraged not promoted.. I'm glad the executive of this forum have frowned upon such behavior.
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it was beneath the shigter bracket, thanks mowdak1. it is a...
mod718A
Peerless
9038 1247
does that mean its a peerless model 718? aka 700 series?
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Yes
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Yep!! See ~>> http://www.odref.com/peerless/ for part numbers and diagram.
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Hey, i've got a lowe's mower (made by noma) with a 12hp, the transaxel in it looks sorta like a foote (but i sure hope it's not!!) and it is a 7-speed with neutral and reverse. Any idea's of what it might be? i havent seen any 7-speed's mentioned yet. :confused:
thanks, Cody :stickdance:
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Have you looked at it? It could be the vari-drive some of them had a lot of speeds
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It's a peerless of some sort, does'nt matter anyways though since my dad decided to drive a wedge under the pully trying to get it off and cracked the case!!!! :worried: :worried: :doh: :noplease:
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Is there any one running a 6 speed Peerless 930 Transaxle? Is it any good for racing? I also have a Peerless 205 ( VST ) I beleive I read this correctly out of the manual
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Is there any one running a 6 speed Peerless 930 Transaxle? Is it any good for racing? I also have a Peerless 205 ( VST ) I beleive I read this correctly out of the manual
Yes I use a 930 peerless and love the thing , it's been ran hard for two years stock . But I am running a stock 10 hp briggs ungoverned .
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hey, has anyone ever heard of a spicer transaxel made by dana? the serial #'s are 115375, 4360-122, 161451
thanks, Jon
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Yes.
http://www.heymow.com/index.php?topic=5444.0
http://www.heymow.com/index.php?topic=1248.0
http://www.heymow.com/index.php?topic=4055.0
These are just a few that a search turned up.
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Do ya'll think it will hold up for a couple of races untill i get a better transaxel??
thanks, jon
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Totally dependent upon how much torque you're putting to it. If you're running stock engine, yeah... it probably will. If you have much for mods to the engine, weeeeell.... Maybe!
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Do you think it will hold up for a while with a stock 16hp briggs twin??
thanks, jon
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Could be iffy... They got a lot of torque straight out the box. Worst thing can happen if you run it is it'll break. Of course things could get interesting when it breaks. I'm sure others have run them, and they survived, it's simply a matter of how long and what they had them bolted too. Personally I'd look for a Peerless 600 or 820 to bolt to it.
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www.ODREF.com
No longer avail?????
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Not sure what's up there Tom... Company is still alive and well, and the remainder of their site is alive and well, including the tranny section. Not sure if it's a domain issue or what. Try this one dude.
http://www.outdoordistributors.com/peerless/peerless-partslists.html
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hey, i just got 3 new mowers given to me along with an extra tranny, the tranaxels in 2 of the mowers are the same so i pulled one and got the serial # which is 2492-PL, do any of ya'll know what kind of tranaxel this is?? i believe its just a forward neutral reverse?
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Not sure what's up there Tom... Company is still alive and well, and the remainder of their site is alive and well, including the tranny section. Not sure if it's a domain issue or what. Try this one dude.
http://www.outdoordistributors.com/peerless/peerless-partslists.html
Attempts today to retry the odref domain indicate the domain has expired. For those of you that have that domain saved to favorites, you need to update to -
http://www.outdoordistributors.com/peerless/peerless-partslists.html
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Thanks Rocky!! As long as I can access those tranny parts lists I'm a happy boy!!!!
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Well... that page has been there for a long time to Tom, not sure what they were doing with the domains, but it was essentially the same page at both locations. It's always been almost identical, a few minor changes in the page design structure is all.
The odref link was much shorter and easier to type in, and should have been showing good traffic with all the links around here to it, why they elected to let it go is beyond me. If I had to guess, I would think it likely an issue of "Brand Recognition", trying to get more folks in tune with "Outdoor Distributors" than odref.
Have also found that the Briggs page explaining the code/model/type number and location to find such has disappeared off the Briggs site as well. I need to try and track that info down on the briggs site again and get an updated link there as well.
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i have a peerless 930-055A-6270-1515 is it a 900 series??
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Nope... See the link 2 posts above yours!
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So.... is the peerless Model 700 a good tranny for racing? I got one today on a toro rear engine mower.
Bob :3gears:
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most people say that the peerless 700 is the BEST tranny for racing, but only after properly race prepped!
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So.... is the peerless Model 700 a good tranny for racing? I got one today on a toro rear engine mower.
Bob :3gears:
Yes.
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i dont know what i have, help me. the name on the fender is Ariens but im not sure what year.
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Hello fellow Heymow'ers! This is my first post, and ive been trying to figure out what rear end ive got...looked all through the site and couldnt find one that matched it :omg: :confused:
its model plate is gone, and ive literaly put this thing through the ringer and its still going strong! (clutchless shifting for about 2500 miles!)
I use it in a road tractor (i have no lisence and the only cop for this town doest mind :) )
Its a 3 speed forward, 1 reverse peerless of some sort, ive never had a trans this strong, and would love to know what model it is so i can get another one or 2!
it came out of a ollllddd dynamark. it was a red one and i think it was a 1970's model.
heres a couple pics i took when i had it out to change frames (this trans has survived 4 diff frames!)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u6/dragonslayer45895/IMAG0008.jpg)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u6/dragonslayer45895/IMAG0009.jpg)
Can anybody give me any ideas what this thing is? i looked everywhere for a model plate and its gone :(
Ive been running a 1:1 ratio with it since ive used it and its held up like a champ!, it had a 6" pully on it stock if that helps (its the one thats on it in the pics)
any ideas would be awesome, because i really want another couple of them!
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It looks like a pearless 920 wide gear in the rear and flat across the front. I have 4 speed like that. Id find a 5 speed for it. Scott
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Disassemble the brakes and clean up behind the brake disk, model # is usually located on a tag there. And, that is usually covered with dirt, grease, brake dust, whatever...
i dont know what i have, help me. the name on the fender is Ariens but im not sure what year.
Pictures of the transmission/transaxle might help dude!! Otherwise it could be most anything.
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Can someone help me identify this transmission. I don't see any numbers any where on it. thanks for your help.
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll226/lawnmower101/th_100_0042.jpg) (http://s289.photobucket.com/albums/ll226/lawnmower101/?action=view¤t=100_0042.jpg)
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll226/lawnmower101/th_100_0043-1.jpg) (http://s289.photobucket.com/albums/ll226/lawnmower101/?action=view¤t=100_0043-1.jpg)
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looks like a peerless 350 or 400
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i agree with gary, looks like a 350-400, believe Don g says the 400 uses bearings and the 350 uses bushings on the shafts!
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That one would be a 350...
http://www.heymow.com/index.php?topic=697.msg5013#msg5013
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Thanks for the help. I thought it was but to me it look a little differnt and I thought I would ask to make sure.
I thought about selling it and wanted to make sure. I know where there is another I might go get now.
Thanks again for the Help.
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Looks to be a Peerless 350/400 to me :D
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I found this trans axle online. The description says it's a Peerless 639A. I've read elsewhere on this site that it's a good transmission to race with because you can upgrade the bushings with needle bearings. Is this correct? I already have one and just want to know if I need to keep looking.
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If your gonna run a transaxle, thats the one to run!
No shift keys to break and they support the axles well.
Some guys like the 820 better, but I'll take that 600 any day!
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I have a model # Peerless MST-205-527a. Is it good for any racing?? Like a Super Stock or Sportsman?
Thanks, Tom
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Can anyone Identify this trany, its in a simplicity 6111, haven't got it out yet!
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Looks like you've answered your own question "it's a Simplicity 6111" made by Simplicity.
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the nice thing about 820's are the one inch axle, the peerless 600's on the other hand are a better transaxle, no shift keys, they use shifting forks, they unfortunately have the 3/4 axles, which hold up pretty good, they can be converted to a 1'' axle, which makes for a very tough transaxle, the 700 peerless and 1 1/4'' axle the best by far, not the cheapest, but the best!
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would the axles from the larger craftsmans fit the 600?
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Snowman it in a simplicity 6111, I don't believe simplicity build the trany. But I may be mistaken..
Thanks Sam
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I wouldn't give people the wrong idea Jerb, but unfortunetly the 600 cannot be converted to a one inch axle without extensive machine work such as boring the counter shaft gears not to mention a new counter shaft sleeve would have to be made, also the case would have to be welded up and remachined to accept larger bearings. In other words it's not worth it, trust me I've done the research and concluded if you want to run a transaxle the 820 is the way to go.
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Id Have to agree with jerb, The machine work wouldn't be tough, and the shifting mechanism in a 600 is much stouter.
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Its not tough machine work, but there is a lot of it. if you have to pay a machine shop its not worth it.
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Yeah,
I did look at it today, figured I would have to charge $150 to do one complete with bearings,locker and axle,.
Not much more for a set-up 700.
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Is that just machine work?
The guy that was making them here was charging $300 for the complete transaxle.We or my Stepdad was intent on making another one, by the time he added up all the parts and machine work it was going to be a minimum of $350.00.
You have to machine the counter shaft, add bushings, then have all that keyed, machine the outter and inner housing to accept the 1"axle, you have to machine the differential and key it as well, then you add in the cost of the seals, bearings, axle and bushings then add in the labor charge for a machine shop for probably a good 5 hours minimum @ what $65.00 a hour. I am sure I missed a few steps but you get the point.
And after all that you still have a transaxle with a not so great gear ratio, that you can't change without changing pulleys and belts, ( more money). A transaxle that weighs what 40lbs. A transaxle that the shifter forks will still break in. A transaxle that the little splined bushing/ adapter on the input shaft will still break in. a transaxle that limits you on setup because of room, ie brakes. By the time you add in the extra pulleys,shaft, and bearings for the jack shaft, or reconfigure the mounts so you can run it upside down, ( more money), you could have mounted three or four 700 setups.
These are very tough transaxles and do hold up very well for racing, but converting to a 1" axle is not cost effective and simply not worth it.
How do I know this?
I race my Stepdad's mower with this setup and I know from experience.
For example at the All American Championship race, half way through the heat race it broke the input bushing/adapter and was done for.
These transaxle are not very user friendly at the track, its a real pain to tear down and repair at the track.
If the 600 breaks at the track.... Well the belt, wheels, wheel hubs, brakes, and the mounting bolts have to come off, you have to raise the mower high enough to get it out from under the machine, then the real pain of tearing it down, fixing whats broke if you have the parts or IF someone at the track has the parts and the reassembling the transaxle process, reattaching brakes, and setting wheel width, all that will take at least an hour if your busting your hump and nothing goes wrong.
If you have a 700 break at the track all you have to do is drop the belt, pulley, six bolts and maybe the shifter and you got it out and able to tear it down, and repair it on the tailgate, more than likely someone at the track will have spare parts or a spare tranny and you could just change it out in just a few minutes. And not ever touch wheels , brakes, wheel hubs etc etc.
I am a firm believer in the philosphy of K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple Stupid)
These are just my opinions and we all know what those are like.
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Well I didn't say it was imposible.
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Well I didn't say it was imposible.
Oh no! it can be done! Without a doubt.
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Yeah that $150 would be just for machine work, lock block and axle.
But remember, I don't do mower stuff to make money, I do it to help.
Your about right on in the 5 hrs/$350 range for machine work.
And your example illustrates what I have not done a good job of explaining myself I guess.
A 600 transaxle I believe is the best transaxle.
If you have a hot enough mower that good 3/4 axles won't cut it, then youd be much money, time and headaches ahead to go to a 700.
Just my opinion.
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:twothumbsup: What we have here is a failure to communicate! :lol:
And yes the 600 is the best transaxle in my opinion too!
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is the peerless 920 series transaxle good for racing
i have a 920-005 and also 1 that looks identical with no tag anywhere
just numbers 5974 p1 on area behind the axle
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I've been running a dana transaxle like the 4360 foote for around 30 races on a 12 horse briggs without any problems. I also have a couple of the 4360 foote transaxles and a spicer or two and i really can't tell any difference in them other than the spicer is a 6 speed and the others are 5 speed. with twin flatty briggs we have been breaking alot of the 800 peerless.
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Is it me and my computer or is this link not working. I get "The domain odref .com has expired." I've tried to go through the current outdoordistrubutors site to look at the parts list and I’m not able to access it that way either. Is there another site with a parts list breakdown for peerless?
http://www.outdoordistributors.com/peerless/peerless-partslists.html
Thanks
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Is it me and my computer or is this link not working. I get "The domain odref .com has expired." I've tried to go through the current outdoordistrubutors site to look at the parts list and Im not able to access it that way either. Is there another site with a parts list breakdown for peerless?
http://www.outdoordistributors.com/peerless/peerless-partslists.html
Try this link for Peerless diagrams.
http://www.partstree.com/parts/?lc=tecumseh&mh=228
Jack Jones
Hard Case Racing
Thanks
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Thanks, That's what I needed.
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Hey, just a quick question. I have a Dana 4360-7 6 speed trans in my 92 craftsman Lt 4000 "project mower" and am wondering if any of you would know about how fast it would go with a 1:1 pulley ratio. I sliced my knee open on the rear 9" pulley a couple days ago (long story) so I kinda wanna hurry up and get rid of it, and Im wondering what to expect if I went with a 2.5" front and rear pulley setup. The mower is pretty much stock, minus some metal, and it has the stock wheels and "turf saver tires"
Thanks,
Dylan
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Im wondering what to expect if I went with a 2.5" front and rear pulley setup. The mower is pretty much stock, minus some metal, and it has the stock wheels and "turf saver tires"
Thanks,
Dylan
Don't do it ....you can expect to flip over and hurt yourself due to poor steering, high center of gravity and no brakes to control any increase in speed over the stock 7 mph it was designed for...!!!!
Design and build a chassis/steering/brakes for higher speeds before changing pulleys to attempt said speeds...
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And after you do that, we'll let you know how many more problems your going to have with the set-up you just mentioned.
So besides being dangeerouse as all get out, it won't work!
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How bout this Foote 2600 "posi" 5 speed? anybody seen this dude before? ( tryed to post a pic, lets see what happens)
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yeah I have one in a rear engine mower. Its pretty neat it only lets you shift through one gear at a time, but I don't think its would be any good for racing.
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yeah I have one in a rear engine mower. Its pretty neat it only lets you shift through one gear at a time, but I don't think its would be any good for racing.
Why...curious?
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i think they might work in a stock engine class build, pretty sure they have identical bolt patterns of the 700 peerless!
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i have a peerless transaxel
the tag reads
900 002
is this any good for racing it is a 3 speed
thanks
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can any one tell me what kind of rearend i have. Its model number is 2333 and it is a peerless 4 forward and 1 reverse.Also it has band brakes
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That would be a 2300 series peerless, not good for racing. Pretty sure it is what the pullers/all terrain and monsters use.
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Mine is on a mustang, is that an MTD brand?
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/birdman_express/pics%20on%20heymow%20com/th_Mustangcrop.jpg) (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/birdman_express/pics%20on%20heymow%20com/Mustangcrop.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/birdman_express/pics%20on%20heymow%20com/th_Mustang.jpg) (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/birdman_express/pics%20on%20heymow%20com/Mustang.jpg)
Notice: The chain gear can be on either side of the tranny.
I had that tranny and the same tractor i blew it up it sucked that little guy had a good bit of hours on it its solid if it is not ran fast its good for tracotr pulling i herd
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I had that tranny and the same tractor i blew it up it sucked that little guy had a good bit of hours on it its solid if it is not ran fast its good for tracotr pulling i herd
There is now a jr. class starting up in some local chapters, for the very young racers, and that tranny is perfect.
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ya as long as they dont let the engine to tranny belt run for a while it heats it up real bad
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Besides remove the nasty grease and put in a breather what do I need to do to race prep a peerless 714a tranny? It has bearings on the input and output shafts. I am a little concerned about the step down of the input shaft with the small key way.
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follow the build threads for a 700!
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I knew the answer before I asked, but asked anyway, duh. What I would really like to know is should I be concerned about the input shaft stepping down to about 5/8" on the 714a? I jsut got a 708a today but haven't opened it up yet, is this a better tranny or as long as it is a 700 it don't matter what the number is as long as it is prepped right? I also picked up a 500 (thought it was another 700 till I got more of the grease cleaned off) I will prep and use as a back up.
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I knew the answer before I asked, but asked anyway, duh. What I would really like to know is should I be concerned about the input shaft stepping down to about 5/8" on the 714a? I jsut got a 708a today but haven't opened it up yet, is this a better tranny or as long as it is a 700 it don't matter what the number is as long as it is prepped right? I also picked up a 500 (thought it was another 700 till I got more of the grease cleaned off) I will prep and use as a back up.
They are 5/8" to begin with. If it necks down, then it is 1/2".
Did you measure it, or just guess?
If they do not have a steel input and bevel gear, then they need that,
the part numbers are in the 700 prep thread.
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I have a older murray tractor with a 4 speed with reverse h pattern rear end in it. It has closed axles on it with a big 5lug pattern any ideas? it is also chain driven I have a 12.5 briggs on it that goes to some converter from belt on bottom to chain on side any idea what they are called? 1st is extremely low
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Pics will grealty help, At first you describe a transaxle, then you say it is chain driven.
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sounds like a peerless 2300 does it look like this
(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_DSCF0013.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view¤t=DSCF0013.jpg)
(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_bullspictures076.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view¤t=bullspictures076.jpg)
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I got one of those outback, i welded it a put in gear lube, but decided to go with a tranny, are the any good?
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I think anyone on here will tell you that its not good for racing way too heavy. But good for pullin, i've been told up to about 24-25 HP
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Well if anyone needs that kind of transaxle I got one. But i dont know of a reasonable price.
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yup same trans except they put a sproket and chain on it. can you weld these up does it do any good? this is for pullin and grade work round the house nothiung fancy.
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yeah if you split it im sure you can weld it solid.
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I meant can you weld it up were its posi or is that possible?
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Yes, you can, I have one that I welded up, but i dont use it since I switched to a tranny
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cool, One more question. My belt goes from the engine to a pulley that turns another pulley on the side(now is a sprocket) then from there goes to the rear end what is this thing called? Any idea?
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right angle gearbox?
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cool let me try looking that up to see what it is
Found it its called a RIGHT ANGLE GEAR REDUCER. Thanks
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(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/th_bullspictures076.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp348/bjchap/tractor%20puller/?action=view¤t=bullspictures076.jpg)
How much do you guys think one of these are worth? It has gear lube in it and its welded solid.
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Is a john deer 4 speed transmission/transaxel, left side input pulley good to use? Im lookin at one on ebay that fits 110 112 212 im new to the sport and big JD fan
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problycast iron and more for pulling heavy! you lose power when you cange diections
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ima ask a stupid question and i can cuz im new haha but i found a transmission on ebay with this model number "H700-026" this is a peerless 700 series right?
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yup that would be a 700
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Does ne have a picture of a 700 installed in there mower .... not exactly what kind of spline axle shafts to use or where to get them... :confused: i found a 5-speed 700 out if a old craftsman
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Check out the build section.
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I have a 930 peerless I am building and was going to put some pics on but its telling me there to big.
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I am new to this forum , but i have help guys with racing lawnmower. I decided to build one and have the wrong rear end. I found one but not actually sure what it is. I found a tag on the very back that says
spicer
4360-58
302971
It is on a Dynamark by Noma 12hp not sure if this is a good transaxle. Any help please. i think it had 5 fwd gears and 1 reverse
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That's a spicer transaxle, they won't hold up long under racing conditions, maybe a super stock if you are lucky.
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I got a stock 11.5 hp motor i am running so will it still hold up?
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I got a stock 11.5 hp motor i am running so will it still hold up?
It will hold up to the stocker for a season or so, depending on how much you race. They are weak, with cheap bearings and soft shafts.
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sorry , it is a 14.5 hp, i would guess probably i will race about 15 races this year. it is a small track so hopefully it holds, maybe i will keep an eye out for a different one as the year goes on and have one extra.
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Any ideas what this might be? No numbers or anything, just some pics.
Thanks!!!
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Came across this...alot of pages, but some decent info.
http://www.smallenginesuppliers.com/html/engine-specs/tecumseh/Tecumseh_Transaxle_Service_Information.pdf
Lambo
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is a 4360 5 speed any good new to this site. the rear end came out of a 93 briggs i belive its a 15 hp
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That red trans is a Indus Wheel Transmission, not much good for racing. Find yourself a Peerless 700, you won't be sorry.
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I'm new to the mower racing scene and I'm trying to get one together. I've got a 80's Lowes(MTD) with a MTD 719-0313 transaxle. On the fender it has 7 speeds and below the seat it has F-N-R. There's only one shifter on the transaxle though. Next I have a 2000's Husky(MTD) with a MTD 719-0394. It has F-N-R on the fender and it's hydrostatic and only one shifter on the transaxle as well. Are any of these worthy for racing? I'll be running an ungoverned 12.5 I/C Briggs.
Nevermind, I did some more searching and I found my answer. I'm on the hunt for a new transaxle now.
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:+1:
Outstanding! once you figure out the search here is not much unanswered here!
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I have a 1969 Commando V8 that I'm pulling with, looking for someplace to get transmission parts
or a complete unit as most parts are no longer available. The Toro website lists the trans as a 5066.
I think it's a Peerless, but not sure. The input shaft is on top and the shift lever goes in the front.
One of the other guys in our club had one but said he blew it up after 2 events. I have 3 on it and so
far so good. Just getting the tractor to work so I'd like to try to keep her going. Oh, by the way,
it's a 3 speed cast iron unit, 1st is very low. No hi-lo range. It is a transaxle unit, the axle shafts
are similar to a direct drive Cub, only smaller. The tractor is a Wheel Horse. I posted this in the wrong place to begin with. No camera to take pics with. I haven't seen one in this thread yet.
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i have a peerlees 756a i think is a 4 speed will this work for racing
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yep it sure will. its a 700 series peerless. look on the post jerb did about the steel gear 700s stickied at the top of this section. you will need steel input and bevel gears if your tranny doesnt have them. follow the thread george has about race prepping one and you will be set
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ok i went thru all 16 pages and found the trans from the mower i bought, peerless 600 :D.. now i would like to build a mower for my son to race too.. i got a old mtd 12hp, with a trans that says mtd 717-761.. can i use this? if so what would i need to do? i might run a smaller hp motor for him. thanks
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most likely thats a vari drive which is no good for racing
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thanks for the reply.. ill just run a live axle
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can anyone tell me why the indus wheel transmission isnt good for racing? the red one from a few pages back
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can anyone tell me why the indus wheel transmission isnt good for racing? the red one from a few pages back
They are not strong enough inside to handle anything over a governed motor.
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Is a peerless mst200 series a usable transaxle for racing?
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Is a peerless mst200 series a usable transaxle for racing?
I've got one in a mower currently with a stock engine. I've been told they will hold up to a single but not to a twin.
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ok good i plan on running a single anyways
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I just pulled a transaxle out of an older Dynamark(no motor,was single cylinder).The transaxle has a factory sticker on the case above the shift lever reading " Foote 0189717 " and the bottom has Foote 3264 cast into it(like the one pictured on the first page of this thread).I also have a Murray 12.5 hp B&S, 5 speed transaxle.It's marked "Wide Body " on the back.It'll be a couple of hours before I can ID the transaxle,the whole mower is parked between 2 race cars close enough that I've gotta moved the cars to get it out.Could anyone give me the low-down on the Foote transaxle ? Thanks.
Tony
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Forget the foote
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Thanks Squidd.
Tony
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is a Peerless MOD639A axle more of a puller axle or a racer?
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is a Peerless MOD639A axle more of a puller axle or a racer?
If it's a Peerless 600 then I'd say more of a racer.
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can anyone tell me if snowblower trannys have reverse? I found one that has five 'detents' but want to know if it's a 3speed or 4speed. Gary
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Usually
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Interesting....I got a Peerless 700-finally. It has the EXACT bolt pattern as that Indus tranny I've been running. I've always thought there were similarities to the two when you look at them side by side. The case is about the same footprint, it's just that the Peerless looks wider since it has more gears. The Indus case has a wider flange where it bolts together. The sprocket even lines up with the small cut-out on the engine plate. Not saying they necessarily made them for Indus, but just wonder if they had anything to do with those :whistling:
Lambo
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I have a peerless mst 206-511, is this a good tranny?
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I have a peerless mst 206-511, is this a good tranny?
That is not a tranny, it is a transaxle.
As far as transaxles go for racing, it is a decent one .
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Here's another fine Foote...Believe it's a 4360 5 spped came out of a 93 Murrey
Top...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans017.jpg)
Bottom...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans013.jpg)
Back...Skinney little bugger... :shock:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans014.jpg)
Side...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans016.jpg)
Other side...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans015.jpg)
whats one of these worth?
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Scrap...
or you can get something out of them on EBAY once in awhile.
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Identify this transmission. It has two shifter handles and I doubt it is any good for racing but looked interesting.
(http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5642/20120105133704536.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/443/20120105133704536.jpg/)
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I would also like to know about that tranny, i bought 10 brand new ones from a old guy who used to have a mower shop, kinda think they wont be any good tho, look pretty small, and weak, think there a 2 speed but not sure
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I have a 4 speed Foote transaxle out of an old lawn chief, it has no ID marks on it. Probably no good for racing but I would like to know the model #, any ideas?
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I have a 4 speed Foote transaxle out of an old lawn chief, it has no ID marks on it. Probably no good for racing but I would like to know the model #, any ideas?
Picture?
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What trans is this?
http://www.dowdatractor.com/pages/OemParts#%2fJohn_Deere%2f57_RIDING_MOWER_-PC1253%2fTRANSMISSION%3a_57_RIDING_MOWER%2f12530002%2f1253F230F0100024
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Bueller......Bueller.....
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????
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Must be one that nobody else knows about. Get it and race prep it, then run it and report back to us on how it works.
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Its in a 40 year old JD.
I dont want to cannibalize this mower if its not up to snuff
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http://www.partstree.com/parts/?lc=electrolux&mn=GT2254%2F96025000200+%282005%29&dn=12880025
What is that? I can get the hole mower for 100$ with a 24 24 v twin kohler one cylinder smoking but moves and drives
Need to know soon is this a 350 or 400 it's a 6speed but don't know if 350 400 is 6 speed.
It has high and low
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http://www.partstree.com/parts/?lc=electrolux&mn=GT2254%2F96025000200+%282005%29&dn=12880025
What is that? I can get the hole mower for 100$ with a 24 24 v twin kohler one cylinder smoking but moves and drives
Need to know soon is this a 350 or 400 it's a 6speed but don't know if 350 400 is 6 speed.
It has high and low
That is too big and heavy for racing. That is neither a 350 or 400, or a tranmission, it's a transaxle.
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That is too big and heavy for racing. That is neither a 350 or 400, or a tranmission, it's a transaxle.
Yea but do you know what model transaxle?
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Yea but do you know what model transaxle?
Electrolux 532184956 is all I can find.
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Electrolux 532184956 is all I can find.
It is 1200$ new wonder if I can sale the stuff and make profit the deck and all is good the deck it 800
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That appears to be the same transaxle that is used in the sears and roper(AYP) garden tractors. looks to be 3 speed with hi/lo.
There are a lot of those out there and I have never had a bad one. Not only would you have to find a buyer, more than likely you will have to find one that is willing to pay shipping
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I think I'll get it cause I have sold the electric pro clutch for easy 50 a d then I'll ask for 100 for the deck it's like new and from prices of the deck I should be able to get that
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800 series Peerless 5 speed his one is an 806 model...
Top...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans001.jpg)
Back...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans002.jpg)
Bottom..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans006.jpg)
Side where Tag is located..."Discretely" placed below and behind brake assembly... :roll:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans007.jpg)
Tag...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans004.jpg)
Notice the ummmm..."stratigicly" placed screw holding the bushing in place after it spun the shaft and wallowed out the housing...Made one last run.... :lol:
Heres the #s on the one I just bought. Can you help identify it for me? 801003A- peerless-31469886
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Heres the #s on the one I just bought. Can you help identify it for me? 801003A- peerless-31469886
Interpreted.... 801-801-003a
http://www.odref.com/peerless/801-SERIES/801-801-003A.PDF
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it should have steel input and bevel gears in it....they will also fit in a 700 transmission.
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So I picked up a transmission locally, its a Peerless something. Unfortunately the ID tag was gone. Can someone tell me what this is? It has 3/4" axles.
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e277/scottr126/IMG_1209_zpsefcb3d15.jpg)
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e277/scottr126/IMG_1210_zps5da34c06.jpg)
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e277/scottr126/IMG_1211_zps3026b697.jpg)
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e277/scottr126/IMG_1212_zpseec339c0.jpg)
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e277/scottr126/IMG_1213_zpsec99bb6d.jpg)
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Just cracked it open.
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e277/scottr126/open_zps950267a2.jpg)
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Looks like a 900 series peerless . It's got the undesirable axles. Do you have the rear rims to go with it?
Owen
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In my WTB thread a couple people said they think its an 800.
I do have a pair of wheels that will fit this.
Any ideas where I can get a bracket to connect my shifter linkage to this? My current trans has a shifter shaft with a square on the end, this one has 2 rounded sides.
Also what fluid should I put in it when I put it back together, and how much?
As long as this doesn't blow up like the 4360 transmissions I was using before I will be good, I do alot of drag racing...(see below).
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t1.0-9/10349192_10203333174708965_3355328757592171475_n.jpg)
Looks like a 900 series peerless . It's got the undesirable axles. Do you have the rear rims to go with it?
Owen
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He was right about the axles. I did not notice until he said something.
You have a few options. With all the blown up transaxles you have you might have some that will work. If not you will have to put key ways in those axles. You wouldn't want to use the wheels that came with that transaxle, they are thin and bend. If they don't bend the drives will strip on the wheels.
However , the axles are case hardened. A typical keyway cutter or end mill will not cut them. The easiest way to key them would be with a grinder. Sand which 2 cut off blades together, or maybe 3 depending on thickness. Then just grind a key way in them.
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Thanks for the help. I have a couple blown up transaxles so hopefully I will have some axles that will fit.
What fluid should I put in this thing and how much? I read somewhere some 80/90 gear oil and then in a different thread they recommended that Peerless stuff.
He was right about the axles. I did not notice until he said something.
You have a few options. With all the blown up transaxles you have you might have some that will work. If not you will have to put key ways in those axles. You wouldn't want to use the wheels that came with that transaxle, they are thin and bend. If they don't bend the drives will strip on the wheels.
However , the axles are case hardened. A typical keyway cutter or end mill will not cut them. The easiest way to key them would be with a grinder. Sand which 2 cut off blades together, or maybe 3 depending on thickness. Then just grind a key way in them.
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Doing what you are doing, it probably wont last long anyhow, so I would fill it with cheap vegetable oil to cut down on the drag..Plus it will smell better when it cooks..
Most everyone runs some type of 80w90 gear lube in their transaxles except a select few who run 820's with bentonite and STP or some other additive.
If your not shifting that thing, go to a kart axle with a right angle gear box and set your ratio with your sprockets. Clutch the belt from the engine to the gear box.
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For the drag racing my biggest problem was case strength. Typically what fails for me is the case, the differential gets so loaded up that it blows out of the case. However I have been running those smaller transaxles, this will be my first Peerless transmission.
Doing what you are doing, it probably wont last long anyhow, so I would fill it with cheap vegetable oil to cut down on the drag..Plus it will smell better when it cooks..
Most everyone runs some type of 80w90 gear lube in their transaxles except a select few who run 820's with bentonite and STP or some other additive.
If your not shifting that thing, go to a kart axle with a right angle gear box and set your ratio with your sprockets. Clutch the belt from the engine to the gear box.
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A transmission does not have axles, a transaxle does.
No matter what you were using before, spicer, ECt., don't expect that peerless to hold up any better.
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800 series Peerless 5 speed his one is an 806 model...
Top...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans001.jpg)
This is a great transaxle to use for IMOW. All the shifter gears, shift keys, input and bevel gear are the same as the 700. The bevel gear is cast however. Once you change the bevel gear to a steel gear and weld the spider gears up, they are indestructible for IMOW type classes.
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Here's another fine Foote...Believe it's a 4360 5 spped came out of a 93 Murrey
Top...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans017.jpg)
Bottom...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans013.jpg)
Back...Skinney little bugger... :shock:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans014.jpg)
Side...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans016.jpg)
Other side...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Squidd/Trans015.jpg)
Looks like I've just found my transaxle lol
Which is admittedly a little disappointing considering I was led to believe my rig had a peerless but that's OK.
It's in what I believe is a 1985 craftsman II (16hp oppy twin)
So my question is, how does it hold up for racing? Easy to weld?
Sorry if this has already been answered in this thread, my phone isn't cooperating with me and I can't go through the pages.
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I have a craftsman lt 4000 with a 6speed can u tell me much about it via pm?
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Identify: Spicer, shifted moves to 6 posistions. Sticker un-readable numbers that did faintly show were 450. And next line 5. Brake on top not side. 2 mount holes, not 4. (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160330/3c06a914ac0c38f4d1caf1cc5e44e02b.jpg)(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160330/4d01a0f6251736f3cdcc764131d7f826.jpg)(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160330/8e3a7864ebe83bb541b790a5b3f2f077.jpg)(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160330/e89fc61e0b597c95eb99da6b3d5c0365.jpg)
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yep a tough little number ''for a foote''some of them have4 shift keys just like a peerless modle #4360-101 locked rear and outward axle berings stock
that explains it. i knew there had to be another model with the top cover cast for bearings. the 4360-7 is only cast in the bottom housing. (i cut the top bearing slots out by hand with my dremel to let me have them.)
the rest of the parts are interchangable, so i may look at grabbing a 4key shaft for mine as well as the better shifting fork. looks like its used in john deer equiment (part num AM120937), so i guess i know just who to talk to.
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what about a foote 3864? how are these for just playin around? its a 5 or 6 speed i can't tell right now as i am not outside looking at the mower itself
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Go Peerless!!! Foot will leave you broke down with no parts.
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yeah i've got it bad i study every thing about every thing now i'm on peerless just have to know how things work. i figure the more you know the faster you go
what a good transaxle for arma flathead class im a noob looking for soomehing that fast and durable