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Re: Questionable "internal" engine modifications.
« Reply #30 on: June 06, 2015, 12:31:52 pm »
With nitrous and water injection. Or maybe those could be different classes.

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Re: Questionable "internal" engine modifications.
« Reply #31 on: June 06, 2015, 12:36:20 pm »
Methanol injection will be mandatory.  Nitrous strictly banned. 

1 governed class to keep it cheap

1 unlimited RPM class. 
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Re: Questionable "internal" engine modifications.
« Reply #32 on: June 06, 2015, 01:30:25 pm »
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Re: Questionable "internal" engine modifications.
« Reply #33 on: June 06, 2015, 02:10:18 pm »
Huh. I think Chuck just called me a fat a**. Thanks, buddy.

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Re: Questionable "internal" engine modifications.
« Reply #34 on: June 06, 2015, 04:28:12 pm »


The FX classes aren't cheap to build or run.  I remember not to long ago everyone wanted the FX classes to be unlimited.  Now we want limits.  


Paul, you are right on the money. The FX classes (super mods) were never meant for rookies, new drivers, or the inexperienced builders. But somehow there are new guys getting right into this class.... The class was added to be an open type class, breaking the mold for the veteran racers and experienced builders. But now guys are trying to make the class "affordable" so everyone can race in it. People should go race a governed class or a prepared class if they are on a tight budget. No one has made anyone build an FX class machine, it's people wanting what they can't have or afford which is the good ol' American way these days!

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Re: Questionable "internal" engine modifications.
« Reply #35 on: June 06, 2015, 05:41:49 pm »
The future of mower racing will ride on getting families and kids back into racing, and running the tracks and events with no politics. This means enforcing the same rules and regulations on everyone regardless of who you are, track official or president or whatever.
If the rule book says stock appearance exept air filter and exhast,that it!

This is what real Lawnmower racing is about and agree 100% with Tyler.
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Re: Questionable "internal" engine modifications.
« Reply #36 on: June 06, 2015, 06:18:35 pm »
I am NOT trying to make the FXT type or SUPER MOD classes affordable. In no way shape or form. I simply stated that the classes engine wise should use only OEM heads and blocks. Period. As for family involvement I agree 100% and that is why we run limited mods. Everyone wants that type chassis and to make it accessible for the families and those with limited funds we run limiteds. But I still stand behind my first statement oem heads and blocks. Anything else goes.
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Re: Questionable "internal" engine modifications.
« Reply #37 on: June 06, 2015, 06:29:49 pm »
Bert, I agree with you. I also quit watching NASCAR, and almost all the Indy car series (except the 500) and don't miss it. I still enjoy motocross and NHRA. The fuel cars have always been out of reach of the everyday person and the one off stuff it cool.

Are we growing to fast, time will tell. I really hope not I like this sport way to much and would like to have to decide on where to race on Sunday's because there are several tracks to decide from. Unfortunately I am still having trouble finding one when my time allows. 4 or 5 years ago there was choices, not anymore.

I can see different cast heads being less than highly modifying stockers. Only for the top classes. I guess we will always have someone that will come in with a open check book.

Has anyone else ever noticed nobody ever listens. What I mean is we all talk and it seems to make good sense. I never see anything come of it, or is that just me, Kinda frustrating.

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Re: Questionable "internal" engine modifications.
« Reply #38 on: June 08, 2015, 02:36:50 pm »
I WAS SERIOUS ABOUT MY QUESTION EARLIER. THE RULES SAY "NO EXTERNAL MODIFICATIONS" IF IT'S UNDER THE FAN SHROUD WHERE YOU CAN'T SEE IT IS THAT LEGAL? MY CONCERN IS IF THE MATERIAL IS ADDED, SAY TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE PORTS, WHERE YOU CAN'T SEE IT WITHOUT TAKING THINGS APART WILL IT PASS TECH? EVEN IF WHILE PORTING A HOLE IS POPPED IN OR JUST THIN? IF THE FRONT OF THE BLOCK HAS A PATCH ON IT FOR WHATEVER REASON IS THAT CONSIDERED A EXTERNAL MOD?
I DO UNDERSTAND BY THE LETTER OF THE LAW THESE ARE MOD FOR WHATEVER REASON. THE REPAIRS COULD BE LEGIT FROM HUMAN ERROR, OR OVER DOING THE GRINDER.
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Re: Questionable "internal" engine modifications.
« Reply #39 on: June 08, 2015, 05:57:11 pm »
put a claims rule on the motor of $2000.00 that would stop the big money spending
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Re: Questionable "internal" engine modifications.
« Reply #40 on: June 08, 2015, 07:33:04 pm »
put a claims rule on the motor of $2000.00 that would stop the big money spending

You'd also lose 95% of current BP/Super Sportsmen class mowers, and 100% of the super mods. Heck, you'd lose better than half the Mod X/CP mowers.

If you don't want to spend money, there are classes that work just fine.

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Re: Questionable "internal" engine modifications.
« Reply #41 on: June 09, 2015, 03:15:41 pm »
I disagree, I race the fxt class with a very mild build motor and have been very successful against racers with mega buck motors
I think racers will continue to race even with a claims rule, it's the love of the sport that keeps me in it not being the baddest on the block. You will always have people that are willing to spend big bucks just to win but at the end of the day it's the thrill of the competition that makes this sport great.
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Re: Questionable "internal" engine modifications.
« Reply #42 on: June 09, 2015, 04:02:53 pm »
I haven't complained about the money. My complaints are that we have too many classes and that the modified classes are no longer lawn mowers. Adding billett engine pieces only serves to widen the gap between real mower based racers and the fabricated fakes.

If the money involved in running 2 twins was too much, I wouldn't whine and ask for claim rules. I would simply run a class. I could afford.

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PS. Ed wants me to buy him a 410 sprint car. I'm not whining, but I really can't afford that right now.
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Re: Questionable "internal" engine modifications.
« Reply #43 on: June 09, 2015, 06:22:34 pm »
Billet 410 sprint. Boyyee!

Personally, I feel a claim rule would be ridiculous.
Guy A spends a lot of time testing components and trying new things until he gets it just right.
Guy B tosses junk together, and it runs just like expected. Crap.
Guy B gets mad that Guy A has his stuff set on ^%$# up the competition and his stuff is still fitting a square peg in a round hole.
Guy B then gets butthurt and claims Guy A's engine based off that rule.
Guy B is a whiner who gets to benefit from Guy A's hard work by being a whiner.

And don't say that wouldnt happen. Happened quite a bit in the local asphalt track classes that had a claim rule.
Just my opinion.
Plus, I would not want to race with a mild engine. It would bore me to death.
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Re: Questionable "internal" engine modifications.
« Reply #44 on: June 09, 2015, 06:25:54 pm »
my mild engine is for from boring, like I said I hold my own with the big dollars motors
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